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Genocide in Burma: Monks and Perpetuation of Violence

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Re: Genocide in Burma: Monks and Perpetuation of Violence

Postby cooran » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:00 pm

Hello AJatashatru,

It would probably be worthwhile if, when you feel people are misinformed, rather than expressing dosa, that you posted links to support your view so they could read, be informed and understand what the situation is.

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Postby Alex123 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:18 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby cooran » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:58 pm

Hello Alex,

What did the Buddha teach on being violent?

I haven't found anywhere where he encouraged violence in speech, thought or word.

But I would welcome correction.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby Ajatashatru » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:27 pm

I hope everyone here is aware of the 1971 Bangladeshi genocide. Granted most of the victims (80%) were Hindus not Buddhists, it still shows us the destructive power of political Islam. Reliable estimates calculated recently put the Bangladesh death toll to 1.5 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War

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Postby cooran » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:30 pm

Hello Alex, Ajatashatru, all,

Thanks for the articles.

But what did the Buddha teach on being violent? Please give links to particular Suttas.

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Postby Ajatashatru » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:06 am

@Holdan

What you are advocating is fatalism. That is not true Buddhism but a gross perversion.

Also what Palestinian atrocities? Why don't the Muslims cry about the tens of thousands of fellow black Muslims killed by Arab Muslims in Darfur, why not the daily killings of Shias in Pakistan, of thousands in Syria. The Tibetans have suffered 1.2 million dead and you don't see them blowing up school buses full of children. The current Islamist movement is deeply ingrained in traditional Islam which divides into Darul-al-Harb (house of war) and Darul-al-Islam (house of islam). It is the DUTY of every Muslim to ensure that the whole world is Darul-al-Islam. The fact of the matter is, Muslims have a deeply ingrained victim mentality that will seize upon the weakness of any party. Also no other nationality has the "Ummah" concept, which is a very potent force in Islam.

Glad that you mentioned Europe. Do you know that the Muslims are aggressively pushing their dietary laws in public places, do you know its unsafe for Jews to travel in many major European cities due to religion of peace followers, do you know all the rapes in Scandinavian countries are done by Muslim immigrants, do you know London is a hotbed for Islamist terror? Europe is a bomb waiting to go off.

And yes, however much you want to distance yourself from Hindu Dharma, let it be known that it is rightfully regarded as the mother religion by many Indian Buddhists in Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, and Ladakh.

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Postby cooran » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:46 am

Hello all,

Theravada attitudes to Violence - Journal of Buddhist Ethics by Dr. Mahinda Deegalle
http://blogs.dickinson.edu/buddhistethi ... egalle.pdf

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Postby Ajatashatru » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:49 am

Are there any non-Western Buddhists that would like to comment on this?

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Postby cooran » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:24 am

Hello all,

Many Sutta quotations on non-violence here:

Non-violence - A Study Guide by Thanissaro Bhikkhu
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/stud ... lence.html

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Re: Genocide in Burma: Monks and Perpetuation of Violence

Postby dagon » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:09 am

Greetings and Metta to all,

My apologies to any that I may offend if I am not skillful in what I say; but seriously I read this and similar threads and I see little knowledge, understanding or metta.
All events occur in a context and not understanding that context will lead to misconceptions, there is almost no understanding of Myanmar, the peoples and their history that lead up to the repulsive events in Burma and have involved those wearing saffron !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... se_history
What does that prove – well for a start that Buddha was right about impermanence. Secondly, that Myanmar is a lot more complicated than rice paddies, pagodas and peaceful coexistence even within the Buddhist communities.
http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/v ... chin-state
http://endgenocide.org/conflict-areas/burma/
http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/03/buddhi ... -in-burma/
to quote from the article a Muslim said “We don’t feel safe and we have now moved inside a monastery,”
This article I found most interesting when I reflected on what it has to say and the teachings of Buddha. http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/12825 ... t-fingers/
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