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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Bankei » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:50 am

binocular wrote:Things like these are not that rare in other Buddhist traditions, and in other spiritual / religious schools, right?

I guess part of the shock around the jet-setting monks etc. is that so far, Theravada has had the reputation of being relatively free of scandals, the most un-problematic tradition of Buddhism. As far as I know, scandals used to be the domain of Tibetan Buddhism and Zen. My first mental association to "scandal in Buddhist sangha" is a Tibetan or Zen teacher having sex with students or using drugs or murky financial schemes.

Oh ...


I agree with Chownah,

In Thailand there is a major scandal every few years involving senior monks. A few years ago there was a famous abbot arrested for raping children. He was sentanced to around 30 years in prison. Also maybe 10 years ago there was a famous monk called Ajahn Yantra who was alleged to have fathered a child - he escaped over the board to Cambodia and ended up in USA on a false passport. He was granted some sort of asylum in USA and still lives there as a 'monk' of some sort. He was also involved in a car accident in which someone was killed and he was the one that was at fault (as driver) - but he escaped prison. Wonder what has happened to him.

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby forestmat » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:53 am

@Bankei - Aj Yantra as he was known is still around - in fact saw him on a video clip just the other day sporting a long beard and wearing dull orange/brown robes. Somewhere in Florida I believe?

I remember the fuss in the newspapers back in 1994/1995 when the stories of his sexual exploits came to light.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby binocular » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:03 am

chownah wrote:Things like this happen all the time in Thailand but usually not on such a grand scale...it is in the newspapers and on TV from time to time....the bulk of it is not interesting enough or unusual enough to even warrant mentioning in the news....

I think it is mostly people who have never lived in a country with a large monkhood who are so taken by this scandal...although it certainly is an extensive list of accusations and so is being featured in the news everyday here in Thailand but this has a lot to do with Thai people liking to talk about a good scandal of any kind so it makes good copy.

I've just discovered that even though I know of the kind of crap that so often goes on in spiritual/religious circles, and have witnessed some of it myself, I am nevertheless more affected by the news of these recent scandals than I'd thought I would be ...
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby forestmat » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:01 am

From an article just posted:

"The woman who claims defrocked monk Wirapol Sukphol, formerly known as Luang Pu Nen Kham, fathered her 11-year-old son on Tuesday filed suit in the Si Sa Ket Youth and Family Court, asking that the disgraced monk be acknowleged as the boy's father and that he be ordered to pay 40 million baht in back-dated child maintenance..."

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/360110/son-mother-seeks-b2m-year-child-maintenance-backdated
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:38 am

'defrocked' I wonder if he indeed is defrocked or whether he is still wearing the robes despite ecclesiastical expulsion. Furthermore it might pay for the authorities to remember that under the Vinaya he needs no official expulsion, for committing a parajika offense he is automatically no longer a monk.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby forestmat » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:09 am

This is the lounge after all...

here's the Bangkok Post's latest take on things:

Monk gone, money gone

The photos show a Luang Pu Nen Kham medallion, left, and a fake mocking the disgraced monk. (Facebook photos)

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/360113/b300m-disappears-from-defrocked-monk-bank-acounts
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:49 am

I hope he is forced to pay child support for his many children, but I hope that money does not come from donations given to the Sangha and stolen by this disgraceful man.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Bankei » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:57 am

forestmat wrote:@Bankei - Aj Yantra as he was known is still around - in fact saw him on a video clip just the other day sporting a long beard and wearing dull orange/brown robes. Somewhere in Florida I believe?

I remember the fuss in the newspapers back in 1994/1995 when the stories of his sexual exploits came to light.

Wow, long beard and robes!

Would you have a link to the video?
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Bankei » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:59 am

The "world's largest Emerald Buddha image replica" at Si Sa Ket's Wat Pa Khanthitham was found yesterday it was not made of jade.
Disrobed monk Wirapol Sukpol, better known as Luang Pu Nenkham, claimed the green concrete figurine was made of Indian jade. The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) officials found this during their gathering of evidence for public fraud charges against Wirapol.

Meanwhile, Wirapol has 30 days to appeal in person against the Si Sa Ket monastic council's ruling to oust him from monkhood for reportedly having a sexual relationship with a woman - otherwise the judgement would be final, Office of National Buddhism chief Nopparat Benjawatananun said yesterday.

He insisted Wirapol's claim to be transferred to the supervision of an overseas temple would still leave him an unsupervised monk because temples overseas were not under Thai law or the Buddhist Order Act.

Songkran Atchariyasap, who heads the "Facebook network against acts that destroy the nation, religion and the royal institution" yesterday submitted Wirapol's brochures to raise money donations to the Anti-Money Laundering Office to investigate financial transactions and fraudulent activities by Wirapol's network.

He said the network comprised more than 20 people including businessmen and a former national politician.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:10 am

Naughty bhikkhus.

How about some stories about monks who are doing the right things.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby forestmat » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:14 am

tiltbillings wrote:Naughty bhikkhus.

How about some stories about monks who are doing the right things.


Although as I am sure you have read this case is rather more serious than just a "Naughty bhikkhus" case, with allegations of sex with a minor (a girl aged 14) and misappropriation of some 300m Baht (approximately £6.5 million)
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:45 am

forestmat wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:Naughty bhikkhus.

How about some stories about monks who are doing the right things.


Although as I am sure you have read this case is rather more serious than just a "Naughty bhikkhus" case, with allegations of sex with a minor (a girl aged 14) and misappropriation of some 300m Baht (approximately £6.5 million)
I realize the case is rather more serious than "naughty bhikkhus." While it is not that such things should not be looked at, I wonder when the "looking at" crosses a line into something else a little less than wholesome.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:51 am

Bankei wrote:
forestmat wrote:@Bankei - Aj Yantra as he was known is still around - in fact saw him on a video clip just the other day sporting a long beard and wearing dull orange/brown robes. Somewhere in Florida I believe?

I remember the fuss in the newspapers back in 1994/1995 when the stories of his sexual exploits came to light.

Wow, long beard and robes!

Would you have a link to the video?
Thanks forestmat


Ex-Ajahn Yantra still alive and kicking in the Land of Endless Opportunities (America) in 2013:
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Bankei » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:13 am

Oh, that is Yantra! I have seen photos of this santa clause like monk before and didn't realise it was him.

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby forestmat » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:58 pm

Fact (as opposed to gossip):

The Criminal Court has approved a warrant for the arrest of unfrocked monk Wirapol Sukphol, formerly known as Luang Pu Nen Kham Chattiko, Department of Special Investigation (DSI) chief Tarit Pengdith said on Wednesday.

The warrant cites three charges - violation of the Computer Crimes Act, deceiving the public, and having sex with a girl under 15 years of age.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/360317/former-monk-waripol-now-a-fugitive
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:50 pm

Haha thank you for posting that photo Bhante.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby suriyopama » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:16 am

The reaction from Ajahn Brahm, on minute 27:54

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:29 am

suriyopama wrote:The reaction from Ajahn Brahm, on minute 27:54
Thanks.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby chownah » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:30 pm

I watched the Ajahn Brahm video and near the end he asks for one last question only because if he stays much longer he will be stuck in traffic and not arrive at his next stop in time.....

I think if we all chipped in we could probably buy a helicopter for him so he could avoid the traffic snarls......good idea???!!,!........
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby suriyopama » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:40 pm

He had to go to Samut Prakan (another province) to run a 4 days meditation retreat called "Happines Retreat". That retreat has been one of the best investments of my time that I have ever made. If I had an helicopter I would give it to him ;)
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