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"Looking" Within

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"Looking" Within

Postby Zenainder » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:42 pm

Good afternoon forum,

In my practice the question has occurred regarding an "inner eye" looking upon itself. What is the unenlightened eye that looks upon the dhamma within, i.e. the activity related to dependent origination? This may be a elementary question, but is it the mind observing itself with a certain degree of concentration? When we say to "look within" what is it that is "looking" (since there is no "self" that is present)? I realize there is a "dhamma eye" referred to in the suttas, but it would seem to me that is something that opens at stream-entry.

Any and all responses are greatly appreciated.

Metta,

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Re: "Looking" Within

Postby reflection » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:56 pm

Hi,

I'd say, yes, it is the mind looking at itself. When the 5 external senses shut down in meditation, that becomes quite clear. Then again the mind is no "thing", so it is just a process looking at itself.

The dhamma eye is a metaphor for seeing the dhamma, understanding the dhamma. It is not a real eye or something. The dhamma eye is said to be dustless, as a comparison with people who have dust in their eyes and don't see clearly the four noble truths.

Hope this helps.

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Re: "Looking" Within

Postby Justsit » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:58 pm

I had to smile when I read your post. I was at a teaching one time, and asked this very question. The translator translated for the teacher, and they shared some back and forth in the other language, and then both laughed heartily. The translator then replied to me, "The teacher says, 'You must answer that for yourself.' " Afterward I left still confused, and a bit peeved about their laughter, feeling embarrassed that I had asked a "stupid" question.

So now some time has passed, and I find that question is not only not stupid, but actually at the heart of understanding much of the Buddha's teaching. It is not elementary at all, but is in fact an excellent question. The answer may be very simple, but very difficult to ascertain. In this case, it is true; no one can answer it for you. Others can only point fingers.

I found it useful to begin my exploration with another question: What exactly is "mind?" And then: How can it look at itself? Can an eye look at itself? Is "mind" different from "self?" If so, how? And so on. Be very thorough and specific. Keep digging. You will develop clear understanding from this ongoing process. May your search be fruitful.

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Re: "Looking" Within

Postby no mike » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:14 am

This was a helpful post for me, thx :)
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Re: "Looking" Within

Postby SarathW » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:02 am

Hi Zen
If you are familiar with 17 thought moments you will have a clear understanding of this.
The way I understand, It is that the second thought process is evaluating the first thought process.

:)
See mind is in active and passive form in:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el322.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: "Looking" Within

Postby Zenainder » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:04 pm

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