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Leigh Brasington and retreats

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Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Goob » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:03 am

Hi y'all,

I have the opportunity to attend a 14-day retreat with Leigh Brasington, focusing on development of the Jhanas and the Satipatthana Sutta, in a couple of monhts time. The running cost of the retreat is quite high and I'll also have to rearrange quite a few of my plans for this fall if I choose to attend.

Does anyone have experience from Mr. Brasington as a teacher, both in meditation and otherwise, and his particular take on the Jhanas and personal guidance? I don't have a particular teacher that I've followed previously but have always been drawn to the writings and talks of Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu and his particular take on things.

I know of LB's website and I do like his down to earth, no-nonsense writing, but anyone have any thoughts or experiences they'd like to share?

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Heaviside » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:08 am

I haven't physically been to any of his retreats, but I have listened to most of the presentations/workshops he has placed on his website. Most consist of daily talks he gave at associated retreats. I found them to be superb. Try listening to some to reach your iwn conclusion.

Lije you, though, I find his workshops to be pretty pricey.
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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:08 pm

A friend of mine from my sutta study group has been on a number of jhana retreats in Asia ( some lasting several months ). She knows Lee and invited him to speak to and sit with our group. He is a very talented speaker, very easy to talk to, grounded in science and he has read the entire Pali Canon.

One thing Lee Brasington and my friend emphasized to us about the jhanas is that reaching them requires time. They both mentioned that a week may not be enough depending on the person and that typically jhana retreats/training lasts at months sometimes. They also mentioned that a minimum samatha practice should be at least an hour a day.

Based on having met him that night, I would say that if you can go to his retreat, do it, it will be worth it, but manage your expectations.

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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:10 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:22 pm

I found this
http://www.muditajournal.com/archives/179.php

by googling on

"review of retreat with leigh brassington"
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Heaviside » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:15 pm

Do the best you can with what you have to work with.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:35 am

Thank you again.

The titles were interesting in that they seemed very similar to what I heard discussed at the Bhavana Society ( Theravada monestary and retreat center ). The monks at this center spoke very clearly and seemed to understand the Western layperson.
Given that I wonder if it is worth it to go to the trouble and expense to travel to one of Brasington's retreats.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby mal4mac » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:40 pm

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Goob » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:31 am

Hi Soup,

Thanks for the info! I might send you a PM some day about staying at WM. I think we talked about it briefly in another thread a while back and I think I mentioned that I've been planning to go for a while and that I asked permission to stay for a couple of months. Hope to go early next year maybe.

I had sort of already figured that AT is a serious man with little time for chit-chat and that it's pretty much up to oneself to make progress, but I'm more after a conducive environment and monastery headed by someone I respect and trust than someone to hold my hand in every step. Doesn't hurt that I've always wanted to visit California either! :smile:

I think I've decided to not attend the Leigh Brasington retreat, mostly due to time and money restraints. He seems like a very good teacher though and I've just begun listening to his talks on right view at http://www.audiodharma.org. Good stuff so far.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Anagarika » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:38 am

Hi Richard:

I agree with you completely....you will have a great experience at Wat Metta. I hope my earlier post did not seem too negative. The reason I go to Wat Metta, and go back, and miss family events and go back, is because every time that I have been there it has been a very positive experience. I am sure you in your own way will derive an enormous amount of positives from being there, and as I mentioned, whether you are able to spend a lot of interaction with Ven. Thanissaro, or not, everyone else there is very friendly, very focused. One of the younger monks, Taan Dan, is a really good guy, very smart, and yet extremely helpful. My sense is that the people that come to Wat Metta and stay there are just the kind of people you'd like to be around. And yes, if you haven't been to the San Diego area, it's very much worth a visit. Wat Metta is amidst avocado orchards, and the weather is bright and sunny most days, and temperate at night; perfect weather and no mosquitoes. Hire a rental car as it is an easy drive to Valley Center outside of Escondido, California, but the car is needed to get you to Wat Metta. It's an easy drive but one that needs a GPS. If you're going to stay for a while I believe that there are lay folks from Wat Metta that can pick you up in the Escondido area, and you can get to Escondido from the San Diego airport using mass transit.

Mike

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby mal4mac » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:02 pm

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby manas » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:03 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:36 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Heaviside » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:26 pm

Do the best you can with what you have to work with.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:11 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Heaviside » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:20 pm

Jhana4,

Thanks for your comment. I bow to your direct experience. My comment was based upon a mistrust of "escape clauses," not of Leigh Brasington himself, whom I find to be both interesting and informative.

As a more general issue, I wonder if anyone has seen this video of Bhante Vimalaramsi's? He presents a very interesting history of the Visuddhimagga, casting into doubt the "authenticity" of one-pointed concentration, nimmitas, and by implication the one-pointed jhanas. Any comments?

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

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Re: Leigh Brasington and retreats

Postby Jhana4 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:16 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.


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