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Venānga Sutta - jhana not absorbtion method

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Venānga Sutta - jhana not absorbtion method

Postby mirco » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:28 am

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Postby mirco » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:38 am

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Postby daverupa » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:05 pm

I am left wondering why this isn't the approach contained in the Comy. They simply declare the ordinal place of the walking, instead of going the language route, unless the abbreviated reference obscures such a thing.

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Postby santa100 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:15 pm

According to AN 9.31: "For one who has attained the fourth jhana, in-breathing and out-breathing have ceased" ( http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html ). So, it's hard to imagine one's able to walk back and forth without any breathing. As a result, Comy's interpretation that the walking happening either immediately or some time after emerging from the 4th jhana kind of make sense in this case..

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Postby mirco » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:05 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Postby piotr » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:35 pm

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Postby Pondera » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:23 pm

What are the siddhis accompanied in the fourth jhana? Perhaps the type of walking is not what we think. I mean, is there any standard definition of "celestial walking"? :smile:

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Postby SarathW » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:08 am

I have seen people sleep walking.
I think, the walking in Jhana is a possibility.
If sleeping is possible why not walking?
Bats can fly in the dark!
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Postby equilibrium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:29 am

No sleep walking at all.
Its about the state of mind relative to ones attainment.

Maybe the sutta needs to be understood in details.

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Postby thelotuseffect » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:37 pm

I think you could safely assume celestial to be a synonym to heavenly, or divine.

Equanimity is a brahma vihara; a divine, heavenly, celestial state of mind.

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Re: Venānga Sutta - jhana not absorbtion method

Postby khlawng » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:35 am

It seems to me that there is a general perception that jhana states are binary.
Perhaps a better way to look at it is that there are depth and qualities to jhanas.

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Postby jameswang » Mon May 26, 2014 11:03 am

Looks Sylvester is not going to do it. Can anyone else translate?

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Postby piotr » Mon May 26, 2014 11:19 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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