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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby Mr Man » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:36 am

The monastic rule is part of the tradition and symbology of the (Theravada) monk. It is also something that unifies. It is a template, which can be used skilfully, to train body, speech and mind. It can work as a brake to our personal opinions and wants. It is allows for harmonious community living and as protocol for relationships. It acts as a point of reference.

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Re: Eating after midday.

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby Indrajala » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:34 pm

That sounds like a convenient narrative to justify institutionalized rules and regulations.

I'm fine with rules. We just need to update accordingly and, as rational free-willed people, make strategic decisions in our behaviour.

I think being dogmatic and attached to scriptural precepts are cause for the Dhamma's decline, not its increase.





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Re: Eating after midday.

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby Indrajala » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:43 am

Simply put, I don't think precepts really have the intended effect.

In an institutionalized setting, you go through the motions of "receiving precepts" and this somehow makes you into a field of merit. The laity then feel happy to bow down and make offerings, maybe getting some kind of religious high from the act of piety. However, once you know how monasticism really works and what goes on when laypeople are not around, then you see how efficacious precepts really are.

I'm well aware people are emotionally invested in a system that doesn't work as well as they believe it does, so my views are fringe and ultimately won't matter so much. In any case, as Buddhism develops in the west, I sincerely hope people exercise critical thinking and don't try to recreate failing Asian paradigms in the new cultures.

Also, if you look at things from an objective perspective, there are often curious historical examples of deviation from prescription. While Theravada has presumably always had precepts, for the longest time China and Japan got by in their monasticism with minimal and/or absolutely no Indian Vinaya system. I wrote something about this:

http://huayanzang.blogspot.com/2013/06/ ... inaya.html

That means you can have vibrant and sustained Buddhism without strict adherence to scriptural precepts.





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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:59 am

Hi Indrajala
I am just trying to understand what your message is.
Are you suggesting that I can realise Nirvana without following Eight Noble Path and not knowing Four Noble Truths?
:)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby lyndon taylor » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:01 am

Indrajala, If you are as it seems a Mahayana buddhist, what are you doing on a Therevada forum putting down our scriptures and traditions, I think the Dharma wheel might be more receptive to this. Buddhism is built on a foundation of moral behaviour as exemplified by the precepts, further progress beyond the basics is not really possible without the ground work of the precepts and moral behaviour, If you think you have a better way perhaps you should start your own order.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Postby lyndon taylor » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:17 am

So your saying we need monks with less discipline, not more???? If being a monk was supposed to be easy, there would be eating after 12pm, sleeping with converts, jewelry and loud music playing at temples, some how I think things are just fine in Therevada traditions, maybe you should take your ideas to the mahayana community, they are much more likely to eat after 12 etc.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:19 am

So what you are saying is refraining from dinner is just an ethical requirement and not a virtue (Sila)?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:22 am

So what you are saying is refraining from dinner is just an ethical requirement and not a virtue (Sila)?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby Indrajala » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:32 am

Not eating after noon is a social convention.





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Re: Eating after midday.

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:37 am

I think refraining from dinner is an ethical conduct for a Theravada Monk.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby lyndon taylor » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:40 am

Obviously you haven't bothered to read all the comments in the thread, as the topic of why monks don't eat after 12pm was covered in the first couple pages, to make one more alert, to build discipline, to make aquiring meals easier etc etc. If your going to go on a crusade to change Buddhism, surely you could think of something more in need of change than this.
Last edited by lyndon taylor on Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Eating after midday.

Postby Indrajala » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:20 am

So, eating past noon is bad, but selling amulets and other questionable practices is okay because it is part of the culture?






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