Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

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Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby suriyopama » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:46 am

Dear friends,

As an engineer, I feel better having technical procedures on my workplace rather than a shrine, so I have prepared this flowchart.

It requires a good understanding of the meaning of AND/OR logic gates ;)

Please, correct me if there is something not correct, or if you have any suggestions.

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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:50 pm

suriyopama wrote:It requires a good understanding of the meaning of AND/OR logic gates ;)


It's been a while, so could I just check my understanding?

AND means all the inputs must be positive for a positive output? So in this case all factors of the 8-fold path need to be developed to achieve Nibbana.
OR means just one input needs to be positive for a positive output? So in this case just one type of grasping is sufficient maintain the process of becoming.

Have I got that right?
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby suriyopama » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:46 am

That’s correct.

Looking at that chart, it is scary to see how easy it is to pass through the lower gate, and not-so-easy to reach the higher gate. It is encouraging me to take the practice more seriously!


I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46804116/Path%20Flowchart%20Rev2.jpg

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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:31 am

suriyopama wrote:I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46804116/Path%20Flowchart%20Rev2.jpg


I think you might find more to add! ;)

I'm curious though, why have you chosen to use "grasping" rather than "craving", given that that craving is the proximate cause of suffering as per the second Noble Truth?
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby mal4mac » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:53 am

Spiny Norman wrote:I'm curious though, why have you chosen to use "grasping" rather than "craving", given that that craving is the proximate cause of suffering as per the second Noble Truth?


Isn't craving a kind of grasping after? Why not use the word "desire"? Why "stress" instead of "suffering", or "frustration"? Maybe these subtleties can't be captured in a diagram, so wordy books & talks are still needed! Then again, it's a nice diagram, perhaps useful as an addition to the words.

Also, you could capture subtleties by rewording & sub-diagrams: "stress", "frustration" and "suffering" connected to "dukkha" by an OR gate, perhaps. This looks like a fruitful approach to me, might be a "skillful means" of getting engineers interested! Also this diagram looks very much like a "mind map", very good as a memory aid, and for sorting out key points...

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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby mal4mac » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:01 am

suriyopama wrote:I have made a revision, including some names in Pali, and the 7 Factors of Enlightenment


Too much Pali, for me, and the wrong Pali! If you are aiming at the "engineer new to Buddhism", I think you need a few key terms like dukkha and nibbana, which have no easy one-to-one translation, but that's all. Don't scare them off...

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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:57 am

mal4mac wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:I'm curious though, why have you chosen to use "grasping" rather than "craving", given that that craving is the proximate cause of suffering as per the second Noble Truth?


Isn't craving a kind of grasping after? Why not use the word "desire"? Why "stress" instead of "suffering", or "frustration"? Maybe these subtleties can't be captured in a diagram, so wordy books & talks are still needed! Then again, it's a nice diagram, perhaps useful as an addition to the words.


Just to clarify, it's not the actual words I was querying but the link of dependent origination which seems to have been used.
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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby suriyopama » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:06 am

Thank you very much for all the comments.

Regarding "grasping", I have just found that the word in Pali is “upadana”. Literally “fuel” and translated as "clinging", "attachment" or "grasping". I have to review the nuances of those terms in a dictionary, because English is not my first language. Thanissaro uses clinging, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up%C4%81d%C4%81na

I used the word “stress” because it sounds more technical (everything is subject to stress and entropy), although it may not capture all the nuances of the Pali term "dukkha".

I added more Pali to help myself memorize it, but it may not be a good idea in order to make it appealing to engineers, as mal4mac indicates.

New revision added,
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46804116/Path%20Flowchart%20Rev3.jpg

And here is the original file made with Microsoft Visio 2003, so anyone can personalize it.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46804116/Path%20Flowchart%20Rev3.vsd

I have removed the word “faith” because it could be misunderstood with "religious believe" by some skeptical mind. It is not necessary to mention, since all engineers already have faith on well exposed flow charts and technical methodologies that lead to a good end ;)

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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

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Re: Buddhist Flowchart Diagram for Engineers

Postby ricebowl » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:43 pm

suriyopama wrote:Dear friends,

As an engineer, I feel better having technical procedures on my workplace rather than a shrine, so I have prepared this flowchart.

It requires a good understanding of the meaning of AND/OR logic gates ;)

Please, correct me if there is something not correct, or if you have any suggestions.

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