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Is this a Mahayana teaching?

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Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby SarathW » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:14 am

Meaning of Nirvana :


It is now believed that It was only after he (Arhant) had passed away that he reached such a state of perfect tranquillity because some residue of human defilement would continue to exist as long as his physical body existed.




Page: 560 - The teaching of Buddha, Society for the promotion of Buddhism (Japan)
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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby cooran » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:16 am

This is the Theravada teaching.

Nibbana as a living experience/The Buddha and the Arahant
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el407.html

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby fabianfred » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:30 am

Certainly an Arahant still alive would receive vipaka from previous karma....but have equanimity about it.

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby SarathW » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:46 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:15 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby cooran » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:36 am

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby SarathW » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:25 am

I agree that Buddha and Arahant also subject to their previous Karma. For example Buddha got injured when Devadatta though a stone at him. One Arahant was beaten to death by thieves.
I think that Arhant do not accumulate fresh kamma so it is inaccurate to say Arhant will have residue of human defilement.
Please see:
The 2 aspects of Nibbāna are:

1: The full ceasing of defilements kilesa-parinibbāna also called sa-upādi-sesa-nibbāna see: It. 41, i.e. 'Nibbāna with the groups of existence still remaining' see: upādi. This takes place at the attainment of Arahatship, or perfect Nobility see: ariya-puggala.

2: The full ceasing of the groups of existence khandha-parinibbāna also called an-upādi-sesa-nibbāna see: It. 41, A. IV, 118, i.e. 'Nibbāna without the groups remaining', in other words, the coming to rest, or rather the 'no-more-continuing' of this physico-mental process of existence. This takes place at the death of the Arahat. - App.: Nibbāna

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby SarathW » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:36 am

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:13 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby SarathW » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:28 am

Hi Retro
Interesting observation as usually you do. :)
I just do not think that the Vipaka operates the way I suggested.
But it is what I heard in Dhamma teaching.
Buddha’s body is a result of past Kamma so if someone through a stone at him that will hit him.
I think my body is a result of my past Kamma. Kamma is not only mental but physical too.
I know Kamma and Vipaka is there but I am not sure how it works.
I think it is one of unthinkable.
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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:45 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby SarathW » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:59 am

Retro:
What do you think about the following?
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The Buddha’s foot was slightly injured ‘when Devadatta
made a futile attempt to kill Him. This was due to His killing
a step-brother of his in a previous birth with the object of appropriating
his property.


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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:22 am

Greetings Sarath,

I think that's the commentarial/hagiographical perspective.

Personally, I do not find it satisfactory (in fact, I find it decidedly superstitious and teetering on the edge of fatalism), but each to their own.

Again, I'm not here to criticise, merely to say that my observation of the operation of kamma and its place within the experiential context of the Dhamma (especially paticcasamuppada) differs from that mentioned by some posters above. Things were being taken as "certain", which to me (based upon my reading of the suttas and perceptions of kamma) are certainly not certain, and as Mr Man alludes to, will not be known for sure until each of us become arahants for ourselves. For us to attempt to describe aspects of the arahant's experience with certainty seems needlessly audacious to me.

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is this a Mahayana teaching?

Postby rohana » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:57 am

"Delighting in existence, O monks, are gods and men; they are attached to existence, they revel in existence. When the Dhamma for the cessation of existence is being preached to them, their minds do not leap towards it, do not get pleased with it, do not get settled in it, do not find confidence in it. That is how, monks, some lag behind."
- It. p 43


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