Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human traffickers

Casual discussion amongst spiritual friends.

Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human traffickers

Postby Kamran » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:18 pm

“A Channel 4 News investigation uncovers secret jungle prisons in a Thai beauty spot, where traffickers deal in the desperation of Burma’s Rohingya Muslims.”

http://youtu.be/B1prYKwdJ68
When this concentration is thus developed, thus well developed by you, then wherever you go, you will go in comfort. Wherever you stand, you will stand in comfort. Wherever you sit, you will sit in comfort. Wherever you lie down, you will lie down in comfort.
User avatar
Kamran
 
Posts: 188
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:14 am

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby chownah » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:35 am

I didn't study the video in detail but I did watch it and my impression is that it looks a lot like a bunch of people from Bangladesh have paid some people to find them illegal work in Thailand. Technically this is trafficking in humans but it is with the consent of all involved. Of course I could be wrong but everything I saw was pretty much in line with people looking for illegal employment in Thailand.
chownah
chownah
 
Posts: 2576
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:19 pm

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby dagon » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:16 am

chownah wrote:I didn't study the video in detail but I did watch it and my impression is that it looks a lot like a bunch of people from Bangladesh have paid some people to find them illegal work in Thailand. Technically this is trafficking in humans but it is with the consent of all involved. Of course I could be wrong but everything I saw was pretty much in line with people looking for illegal employment in Thailand.
chownah


i wish it was that simple - even that nice

what the clip was saying that it was showing (i dont know the truth) was that some of those who had fled Burma were being promised a boat ride to Malay for money. What was eventuating was that they were disembarked on Thai Islands and held for ransom until families paid additional money. Those that could not get their families to find the extra money were being sold to work on Thai fishing boats.
dagon
 
Posts: 297
Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:45 am

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby chownah » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:13 pm

dagon wrote:
chownah wrote:I didn't study the video in detail but I did watch it and my impression is that it looks a lot like a bunch of people from Bangladesh have paid some people to find them illegal work in Thailand. Technically this is trafficking in humans but it is with the consent of all involved. Of course I could be wrong but everything I saw was pretty much in line with people looking for illegal employment in Thailand.
chownah


i wish it was that simple - even that nice

what the clip was saying that it was showing (i dont know the truth) was that some of those who had fled Burma were being promised a boat ride to Malay for money. What was eventuating was that they were disembarked on Thai Islands and held for ransom until families paid additional money. Those that could not get their families to find the extra money were being sold to work on Thai fishing boats.

Yeah, I did watch the clip. If I lived in Bangladesh (the video said the boats left from Bangladesh I think, not Burma) and paid someone to find me some illegal work in Thailand I would be sure to have something to say in the event I got caught....something like "I just bought a boat ride to Malaysia and now I'm being held hostage in Thailand." I certainly would NOT say that I paid someone to provide illegal employment in Thailand....that would be admitting breaking the law!
Also, making a video about holding people hostage and human trafficking of Rohingyas right now is a hot item....while people paying someone to find them illegal work in Thailand is really not a very interesting story at all.
But I want to stress that I very well may be wrong.....it is just my general impression that the video seems to be very compatible with people trying to find illegal employment in Thailand.
chownah
chownah
 
Posts: 2576
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:19 pm

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby koonzaw anyarmyay » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:19 am

Kamran wrote:“A Channel 4 News investigation uncovers secret jungle prisons in a Thai beauty spot, where traffickers deal in the desperation of Burma’s Rohingya Muslims.”

http://youtu.be/B1prYKwdJ68


There is no Rohingya Muslim ethnic in Myanmar (Burma). They all are one of Bengali ethnic from Bangladesh. They furtively came to Rakhine State ( a state of Myanmar and Rakhine ethnic live) and they cheated to the world that the Rakhine State is belong to Rohingya Muslims.
koonzaw anyarmyay
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:10 am

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:12 am

koonzaw anyarmyay wrote:There is no Rohingya Muslim ethnic in Myanmar (Burma). They all are one of Bengali ethnic from Bangladesh. They furtively came to Rakhine State ( a state of Myanmar and Rakhine ethnic live) and they cheated to the world that the Rakhine State is belong to Rohingya Muslims.

You need to study some history, and learn some tolerance. Should we send all Myanmars back to Tibet where they migrated from centuries ago?

Every country in the world has immigrant populations. The solution is not to beat them up and send them away, but to treat them as human beings. All human beings have two arms, two legs, a stomach that needs to be filled daily, and a head with a brain that can be used to think wisely or unwisely. Which will it be for you?
Mahāgandhayon Sayādaw wrote:National Solidarity
49. Interracial marriages are necessary for national solidarity among Upper Burma, Lower Burma, Hill Tribes, and Plains people.

Do Good to Those Who Hate You
250. One cannot travel through saṃsāra alone. One needs others to help one make progress. Our Buddha had the villainous Devadatta who formerly murdered the Bodhisatta when he was the hermit Khantivādī, and again when he was Prince Dhammapāla. It would be good to have good associates. You must do no harm to those around you. If they ill-treat you, it is for you to treat them well.
AIM WebsitePāli FontsIn This Very LifeBuddhist ChroniclesSoftware (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)
User avatar
Bhikkhu Pesala
 
Posts: 1956
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:17 pm

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby householder » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:42 am

Edited: My opinion matters not a jot.
householder
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:00 pm

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby koonzaw anyarmyay » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:09 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
koonzaw anyarmyay wrote:There is no Rohingya Muslim ethnic in Myanmar (Burma). They all are one of Bengali ethnic from Bangladesh. They furtively came to Rakhine State ( a state of Myanmar and Rakhine ethnic live) and they cheated to the world that the Rakhine State is belong to Rohingya Muslims.

You need to study some history, and learn some tolerance. Should we send all Myanmars back to Tibet where they migrated from centuries ago?

Every country in the world has immigrant populations. The solution is not to beat them up and send them away, but to treat them as human beings. All human beings have two arms, two legs, a stomach that needs to be filled daily, and a head with a brain that can be used to think wisely or unwisely. Which will it be for you?
Mahāgandhayon Sayādaw wrote:National Solidarity
49. Interracial marriages are necessary for national solidarity among Upper Burma, Lower Burma, Hill Tribes, and Plains people.

Do Good to Those Who Hate You
250. One cannot travel through saṃsāra alone. One needs others to help one make progress. Our Buddha had the villainous Devadatta who formerly murdered the Bodhisatta when he was the hermit Khantivādī, and again when he was Prince Dhammapāla. It would be good to have good associates. You must do no harm to those around you. If they ill-treat you, it is for you to treat them well.


I know and accept humanitarianism. But These Bengali immigrant Problem is not humanitarianism problem. They not only furtively came in and trespassed but also they do not want to follow our national laws. They practice and live under Islamic Laws such as Sharia. We cannot allowed to practice sharia law in any region in our land. If they want to live in our country, they must observe our National Laws.

Moreover, There are 135 kinds of natives in Myanmar. But not Rohingya (one kind of Bengali). Over 80% of them are immigrants. In order to humanitarianism and our Citizenship Law, some of them can be Myanmar citizen. But the problems are that they want to be one kind of new native called Rohingya and they want to live under Islamic Sharia Law that is not allowed in our country.

The Arab muslin world support money to Bengali immigrant ( they call Rohingya themselves) through various kind of INGO. They influenced many Media center such as BBC, VOA by using money from Arab world and using humanitarianism or human right. And then they cheat to the world that the Rakhine state belong to them and the are one kind of Myanmar native people called Rohingya.
koonzaw anyarmyay
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:10 am

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby SarathW » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:28 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
koonzaw anyarmyay wrote:There is no Rohingya Muslim ethnic in Myanmar (Burma). They all are one of Bengali ethnic from Bangladesh. They furtively came to Rakhine State ( a state of Myanmar and Rakhine ethnic live) and they cheated to the world that the Rakhine State is belong to Rohingya Muslims.

You need to study some history, and learn some tolerance. Should we send all Myanmars back to Tibet where they migrated from centuries ago?

Every country in the world has immigrant populations. The solution is not to beat them up and send them away, but to treat them as human beings. All human beings have two arms, two legs, a stomach that needs to be filled daily, and a head with a brain that can be used to think wisely or unwisely. Which will it be for you?
Mahāgandhayon Sayādaw wrote:National Solidarity
49. Interracial marriages are necessary for national solidarity among Upper Burma, Lower Burma, Hill Tribes, and Plains people.

Do Good to Those Who Hate You
250. One cannot travel through saṃsāra alone. One needs others to help one make progress. Our Buddha had the villainous Devadatta who formerly murdered the Bodhisatta when he was the hermit Khantivādī, and again when he was Prince Dhammapāla. It would be good to have good associates. You must do no harm to those around you. If they ill-treat you, it is for you to treat them well.


Sadhu,Sadhu,Sadhu
SarathW
 
Posts: 1788
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:49 am

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby appicchato » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:42 am

NO WAY would they be coming to Thailand looking for work...
User avatar
appicchato
 
Posts: 1560
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 am
Location: Bridge on the River Kwae

Re: Burma’s Muslims driven into the hands of human trafficke

Postby dagon » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:43 am

koonzaw anyarmyay wrote:
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
koonzaw anyarmyay wrote:There is no Rohingya Muslim ethnic in Myanmar (Burma). They all are one of Bengali ethnic from Bangladesh. They furtively came to Rakhine State ( a state of Myanmar and Rakhine ethnic live) and they cheated to the world that the Rakhine State is belong to Rohingya Muslims.

You need to study some history, and learn some tolerance. Should we send all Myanmars back to Tibet where they migrated from centuries ago?

Every country in the world has immigrant populations. The solution is not to beat them up and send them away, but to treat them as human beings. All human beings have two arms, two legs, a stomach that needs to be filled daily, and a head with a brain that can be used to think wisely or unwisely. Which will it be for you?
Mahāgandhayon Sayādaw wrote:National Solidarity
49. Interracial marriages are necessary for national solidarity among Upper Burma, Lower Burma, Hill Tribes, and Plains people.

Do Good to Those Who Hate You
250. One cannot travel through saṃsāra alone. One needs others to help one make progress. Our Buddha had the villainous Devadatta who formerly murdered the Bodhisatta when he was the hermit Khantivādī, and again when he was Prince Dhammapāla. It would be good to have good associates. You must do no harm to those around you. If they ill-treat you, it is for you to treat them well.


I know and accept humanitarianism. But These Bengali immigrant Problem is not humanitarianism problem. They not only furtively came in and trespassed but also they do not want to follow our national laws. They practice and live under Islamic Laws such as Sharia. We cannot allowed to practice sharia law in any region in our land. If they want to live in our country, they must observe our National Laws.

Moreover, There are 135 kinds of natives in Myanmar. But not Rohingya (one kind of Bengali). Over 80% of them are immigrants. In order to humanitarianism and our Citizenship Law, some of them can be Myanmar citizen. But the problems are that they want to be one kind of new native called Rohingya and they want to live under Islamic Sharia Law that is not allowed in our country.

The Arab muslin world support money to Bengali immigrant ( they call Rohingya themselves) through various kind of INGO. They influenced many Media center such as BBC, VOA by using money from Arab world and using humanitarianism or human right. And then they cheat to the world that the Rakhine state belong to them and the are one kind of Myanmar native people called Rohingya.


As a Buddhist I assume that you recognize that nothing is permanent including political boundaries and the peoples that comprise the population of nations. I am curious to know which citizenship laws you are referring to – 1982 citizenship law maybe – which has since been revoked and the old law brought back.

The generalizations that you have made destroy any credibility to your argument. If you were to stick to facts you would be better able to support an argument. I am not sure how old you are, but I suspect younger than I am. I was in Burma at the time of the military takeover and stayed for a few years after. Yes my friend we were both born in the same country and yes I still have relatives there. Their first acts included taking control of the media, burn the text books and rewrite Burmese history, there may be the source of your problem.

The situation in Myanmar for these people is very complicated and involves political changes, the military and the conduct of BOTH the Buddhist and Muslim populations. While there is no way that any Buddhist can condone killing you may get more of a sympathetic ear from some if you stuck to the facts.
dagon
 
Posts: 297
Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:45 am


Return to Lounge

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests