the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:01 pm

Just go to any large supermarket, Whole Foods, or Trader Joes. They all have a variety of faux meats.

Currently, the most favored brands are Gardein, Beyond Meat, and Match Meats.

Many Asian markets have some very advanced faux meats, though the labeling standards are loose. Some have animal products or even small amounts of meat in them for flavoring despite being labeled "vegetarian"
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Aloka » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:15 am

Quorn mince isn't more expensive than meat, neither is soya mince or tofu. Different kinds of beans and chickpeas are a good souce of protein as well as nuts and also yogurt, cheese and eggs.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Jhana4 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:57 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby lyndon taylor » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:10 pm

Actually cheese is very high in protein, about the same as chicken and some other meats, of course the high fat content is another issue, but a lot of meats have that too. Cheese has more than twice the protein of nuts for instance. Cheese is about 25% protein by weight 7gm protein/28 gm serving.

Actually all this info is from google searches, so please forgive me if there are any inaccuracies.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby lyndon taylor » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:43 pm

I was refering to regular cheese, like cheddar, or provolone. On average meat has 7gm/oz of protein, same for cheese, hard cheeses can have up to 10gm/oz, cottage cheese is very low 1.9gm/oz
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Alex123 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:45 pm

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby lyndon taylor » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:53 pm

Nuts are about 3-4 gms/oz protein. It all depends on your serving size, how much protein you get, but high protein foods like cheese and meat, you have to eat less amount to get the same amount of protein.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Jhana4 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:48 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:39 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby lyndon taylor » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:16 am

As I haven't eaten any young children, I can't really compare them to chicken!!! Anyway I'm full vegetarian now, so that means no chicken, or young children......
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:32 am

Ajhan Sumedho's experience with vegetarian diet:
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I found myself
aiming for the vegetarian dishes first so that I could
pass them out according to my own needs. It brought
up a really childish tendency in me. Then one day
another monk saw me doing this, so he grabbed the
vegetarian dish first and only gave me a little spoonful.
I was so angry when I saw that. I took this fermented
fish sauce, this really strong stuff and when I went past
his bowl, I splattered it all over his food! Fortunately,
we were forbidden to hit each other. This is an
absolute necessity for men — to have rules against
physical violence!
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:23 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Alex123 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:10 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:27 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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