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the great rebirth debate

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I can't figure out what to google for so I can learn what the heck is existential locative absolute. Anyone got a reference where I can go read about it.....I doubt if a "simple" explanation will help but it might.....I'd rather find a place on the net to learn about these kinds of things in general because as soon as someone explains existential locative absolute I'm sure that the next day I'll have trouble with the indistinguishable referential obverse and the approximate differential reverse nelson.
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Postby Kamran » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:17 pm

For most people, the Buddha found, even the four noble truths were too alien to form an entry point into the teaching. Thus he had to use the narrative and cosmological modes of discourse to bring such people, step by step, to the point where they were ready to comprehend those truths...

Thus the experience of his Awakening gave a new purpose to narrative and cosmology in the Buddha's eyes: they became tools for persuading his listeners to adopt the training that would lead them to the phenomenological mode. This accounts for the ad hoc and fragmentary nature of the narratives and cosmological sketches in his teachings. They are not meant to be analyzed in a systematic way.


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Your quote is refering to Indian cosmology and astronomy, not rebirth. At least that's how it reads to me.
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Lyndon taylor,
I think what the quote is saying is that the Buddha used narrative and cosmology as an introduction for people who were not ready to understand his more important teachings on phenomenology. In plain English the Buddha was wanting to teach how through understanding how our experience of the world comes about we can find a way to end suffering, but there were many people who were so used to learning in other ways so he used some of the ways they were used to thinking about things as an introduction to what he thought was more important to learn.....but he did not present the introduction as a complete essay but only some pieces of things because he did not want people to stay focused on the introduction but to move on to thinking about how our experience of the world comes about and how understanding that could end suffering.
It is just my understanding of what was written.
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Postby lyndon taylor » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:39 am

Your comments are not representative of how Thanissaro Bhikkhu views rebirth, at all, so I have to assume there is some kind of misunderstanding if you think this quote applies to rebirth.
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