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Monks in private jets pass test

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:14 am

I think Ajahn Brahm makes some very good points, it would seem we hold a similar view. I have always used the example of the fact many Vinaya laws were formulated by the Buddha after complaints from laypeople to back up the idea that lay people have a responsibility to help keep this Sasana ticking over, wise-patronage is one of the best methods to do so, avoid patronizing institutions you know are corrupt, give your offerings and dana to institutions where you know the monks practice the Dhamma. Another hugely important thing is education, and it would seem at least in Thailand there are many misconceptions about Dana and what laypeople should give. I think this is one area where the Sangha can help, the Sangha can help educate these uninformed laypeople who have these wrong ideas about kamma and dana, and then we can finally start taking some steps in the right direction.
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Postby dagon » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:59 am

Ajahn Brahm discussion was very interesting and as usual full of practical advice. I know that for me there was a lot more in that talk that relates to this thread than the answer to the question about the disrobed monk. Some of it relates to how we should conduct ourselves in relation to other people and past events!

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Postby Mr Man » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:58 pm

And the Chinese whispers anecdote?

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Bankei » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:54 am

Another naughty abbot
Temple Abbot Busted For Impersonating Police Colonel

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newson ... kyT1E9PQ==
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:05 pm

A long overview of the whole case and how a simple monk rose to notoriety (the DNA tests have proved positive too):

In the name of the robe
(Luang Pu Nenkham)

A jet-setting, fugitive Buddhist monk is at the centre of a huge religious scandal in Thailand. Lindsay Murdoch investigates.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nationa ... 2s5rp.html

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Jhana4 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:40 pm

Nobody needs sun glasses as passengers in a jet. Ben in his earlier post ( I have not read the whole thread ) had a point, the picture is not given with a context, but the attitude as conveyed by the pictures of the monks raises a lot of red flags. Though not as extreme, I have seen temple newslettes with monks going on about "dhamma tours".....aka traveling on the laities dime and not spreading Buddhist teachers to those who don't have it. That is abuse. Some monks get away with it because they are idolized in Asia and Asians are brought up with on overly authoritarian culture where people feel self conscious about speaking the truth and asking questions out loud.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:36 am

Probably no way around it give the subject matter and my opinion, but my intention in expressing my opinion was not to offend.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:30 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:30 pm

An update on the case of the fugitive ex-monk Nenkham:

DSI Confident Ex-Monk Ineligible For US Asylum

(16 September) A senior official at the Division of Special Investigation (DSI) expressed confidence that the fugitive ex-monk wanted by the DSI will not be granted asylum visa in the United States, where he is believed to be residing to avoid legal prosecution in Thailand.
Over the weekend, Khaosod has reported that the DSI failed to capture Mr. Wirapol Sukphol, the famous (now defrocked) monk also known as Luang Pu Nen Kham, at a temple in Laos.
Reports say the DSI is attempting to contact US immigration to prevent Mr. Wirapol from applying for an asylum visa in the US. Sources close to Mr. Wirapol indicate he may cite "religious persecution" as grounds for asylum.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newson ... =&catid=03

He is obviously trying to copy the notorious ex-Ajahn Yantra who also requested (and was granted) asylum in the US citing religious persecution as his reason. It is not surprising really, with so many religious and spiritual cults happily prospering in the US.
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Check the number of his house: 32140. The same one as the home of the Moral and Quality of Life Promotion Foundation
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Postby 333 » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:36 pm

Was he granted asylum? I suppose the us would view him as a rich man paying taxes and contributing to the economy
To Avoid All Evil,
To Cultivate Only Good,
And To Purify One's Mind
This Is The Teaching Of All The Buddhas!
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:42 pm

Nenkham follows the example of Yantra who has fled from Thailand under similar circumstances and was granted asylum in the USA. It is probably one country where it is not a crime to make any sort of religion into a business, and he is now going to start his own Buddhist sect:

Jet-setting monk gets new life in US

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/7 ... life-in-us
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby samseva » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:43 pm

Simple social media could be useful to demotivate people from taking part in his new sect.

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