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What is controlling?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Postby kirk5a » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:20 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby pegembara » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:16 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Postby kirk5a » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:49 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby daverupa » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:47 am

Teasing mere individual continuity apart from a sense of personal existence is a very difficult task. Limited free will is a feature of individual continuity; belief in a personal existence is the root of asking "who controls", I think. Same as asking, "which self do non-self-actions affect?" The question has to bring in an assumption from outside the Dhamma.

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Postby chownah » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:52 am

You could try some things to see if you can learn something about how the mind is controlled. Before reading further, here is what I will do. I will try to make you lose control of your mind. You should pay close attention to your mind as you lose control of it to see what you can see about the process. I will give you a task which will start with you controlling your mind to accomplish the task and end with you losing control of your mind. Try to detect the moment you lose control. Before starting you should clear your mind and calm it a bit so that you can observe it better. It's is an experiment, I hope it works.







I am going to type backwards......I want you to figure out what I typed but do not think about it...do not imagine it's appearance or taste or smell or texture or sound:

maerc eci

Could you detect the moment when you lost control?
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Postby SarathW » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:04 am

I could work it out what you typed back word based on my previous knowledge (karma).
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is controlling?

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby robertk » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:18 am

according to the commentary of the attakari sutta the Brahim was a follower of makkali gosala. he was a famous wrong viewer of the time who held that there was no such thing as kamma: one could live a good life or live a life where one went about killing and raping to the greatest extent, it didnt matter too much as at death all would have the same fate, back to the mud, dust.

in this sutta the Buddha was trying to help the Brahmin see that there is the result of action. it was not a sutta that had the goal of explaining anatta.

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Postby pulga » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:03 pm

I like the analogy of someone under the delusion that he has sovereign authority over the town in which he lives. He goes about telling the baker to bake bread, the traffic cop to direct traffic, the storekeeper to sell good, etc.. Doing so affirms his sovereignty, his control over things, his mastery of things. It gives him pleasure.

Since he really doesn't have any authority over those he commands he often finds himself in conflict with those around him. But this conflict which undermines his sense of control is due to the pleasure he finds in being master over the situation. A vicious cycle then ensues in which conflict itself affirms the mastery due him, the very sense of mastery gives him pleasure. Rather than simply accepting his insignificance in the lives of the baker, the traffic cop, the storekeeper, etc. and finding peace in the way things really are, he finds pleasure in dukkha.

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