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Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

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Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby DonnieRage » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:29 am

I have an issue when it comes to eating. I've been raised strictly on fast food, meat, and soda and I'm paying the price with a very unhealthy body. I sincerely want to like vegetables so much, but almost every one I've tried (I've tried a lot lately and I re-try them often) literally makes me gag to the point of nearly vomiting, and I simply can't seem to like them. I also am having an insanely hard time stopping drinking soda, granted I drink more water now than I ever did in my life, there are still days I go without water and instead it's just Soda and Sweet Tea. What I'm wondering is if anyone knows of any particular meditation techniques to help me get over this. Should I just continue practicing Vipassana, or is there more I could try to help me get control over these cravings?

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:50 am

I'll tell you what is working for me - adopting a sugar-free aspartame-free wholefoods plant-based (vegan) diet.

There is emerging a great deal of scientific evidence of the efficacy of this dietary approach for long-term physical and mental health and happiness.

Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooti ... -of-death/
Forks over knives: http://www.forksoverknives.com/

I also suggest limiting your caloric intake. Track the calories and macro-nutrients in your food and engage in regular intense exercise. My Fitness Pal: www.myfitnesspal.com

However, if you have been brought up on a diet of junk food for most of your life it will initially take some commitment. As for gagging on vegetables - it could be in the way they are prepared/cooked. It is also where practicing equanimity and sense restraint will come in handy.
Be careful of attempting to practice repulsiveness of nutriment which can lead, in some people, to develop aversion towards food.

And continue with the vipassana practice.
kind regards,

Ben
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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby chownah » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:32 am

Do you like carrots or cucumbers, or celery? If you do make a point of eating a lot of them. If you don't like them then try them with a dip of some rich concoction like clam dip or sour cream......Start with lots of dip and gradually you might develop a taste for the veggies and you will then enjoy them with less of the dip...........the idea here is disguise them at first to slowly introduce them with the hope that you will acquire a taste for them. Maybe try omelettes with some veggies in them......or what about spanikopita which is a Greek dish with spinach but the overall effect is not at all like eating vegetables. What about soup with veggies in it? Stew with carrots and potatoes.....Just keep adding more carrots and whatever vegetable you want and eventually the veggie flavor will be apparent.....it can sneak up on you.

Also, wait until you are very very hungry before eating and then eat first some of whatever veggie you like or tolerate best. Since most children don't like many veggies it can be seen that veggies are an acquired taste for most people.......seems like maybe you just need to work a bit harder at it than most.

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:12 pm

Tricks to get Adults to eat healthier:

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby reflection » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:35 pm

A 'meditation' you can do is to reflect how bad it is for your body, and how it also influences your state of mind. But apart from that I think meditation will do little to change your taste. Perhaps the best thing is to learn how to cook. Once you get into cooking and making things yourself to your taste you will find healthy dishes more attractive and the unhealthy ones not so much - at least that's my experience.

Because vegetables can be not so nice if not well prepared and super delicious if well prepared. I love my mom, but the way she prepared vegetables I never liked them. Often overcooked, and just plain with some gravy. However, since I've left the house and was introduced to some new ways of preparing vegetables, I really love them and now I cook vegetarian food with lots of vegetables generally.

You have to find out what you like. Some vegetables I find are best raw, others best well cooked and others somewhere in between. Also what you do with the vegetables matters. Some of the world's kitchens you may like more than others. Personally I think the Indian kitchen has some of the best vegetable dishes.

With respect to soda's, chocolate, sweets, chips and all that I have a simple policy: I simply don't buy it or only occasionally. The moment of buying is the best moment to stop yourself. If you already have it in your home you will probably take it anyway, but if you don't, you simply can't. And then you will see the craving is only momentarily and it will fade away again.
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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:45 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Viscid » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:50 pm

It's actually really interesting how malleable our preferences for particular foods are-- if you just accept the taste as-is and don't reinforce the disgust you hold for it, the next time you encounter the food it'll be a noticeably less unpleasant experience.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby reflection » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:56 pm

It's true, perception is so tricky. If you are about to have some food and think "this will be disgusting", it probably will be.

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:18 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Marfa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:56 am

I'm not an expert on meditation but I have some experience with food cravings - so this is simply what I do and it has worked for me so far.
Whenever food cravings present themselves, I try to treat them like the stuff that comes up when one's sitting: go back to the breath, or tag them "sensation", or - if the day is good - look into them like one would do with pain.
On the subject of taste, I agree with Ben when he mentioned that a lot of your repulsion may come from the way food is cooked and prepared.
A lot of people still seem to think that "healthy" means (or must mean) "yucky", but it's really not true, and there are millions of recipes (online and in books) that prove that equation wrong.
I'm posting here one of them for DonnieRage - and for the skeptics: :smile:

http://www.vegalicious.org/2009/07/20/s ... i-muffins/





*hope I'm not breaking any forum's rules :embarassed:

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Ajisai » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:01 pm

How are you cooking your vegetables? Adding some spices and herbs might help :smile:

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby DonnieRage » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:32 am

The night I posted this I actually decided to eat vegetarian. Since I've been studying and practicing buddhism the ethics behind meat eating (particularly involving consumerism) have slowly crept up on me and I actually started bumming myself out a little when eating meat. I'm like the pickiest eater I've ever met, but now I've found tofu to be awesome with szechuan sauce on it, I'm trying to find ways to cook brown rice so I'll like it, and green bell peppers have EASILY been the most accessible vegetable so far (I actually love them raw), and I make my sweet tea with honey instead of sugar now. I appreciate all the advice so far and it's always encouraging to see other people who are and who strive to be healthy.

What kind of stuff could I dip things like carrots and celery in, other than ranch? Anyone think honey would be tasty dipping or would the flavors be to contrasting?

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:43 am

You might find this SHORT post about proper vegan nutrition useful since you seem to be experimenting with that. HTH
http://beforewisdom.com/blog/vegan-diets/
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:45 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:32 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby reflection » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:37 pm

Congratulations on your choice of trying to eat vegetarian. It really changed my eating pattern into a much more healthy one - and believe it or not - also a more enjoyable one.

I often make a simple yogurt dip because it is so easy and fast. You can do it in a million ways so it doesn't have to become boring, but just yoghurt, salt, pepper and mixed spices (like Indian masasa) is enough for me. If I want I add garlic(paste). A famous yogurt sauce is Greek tsatsiki, takes a bit more time but you can make some and put it in the fridge for later.

If you like sweet you could try to make a puree of carrots - just saute some grated carrot in a bit of butter and blend afterward. It'll become very very sweet.

You could make a honey mustard dip as well. Just plain honey I don't think would be that great.

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Re: Meditation and Diet (controlling poor eating habits)

Postby Ben » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:24 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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