Are you talking about practice here?clw_uk wrote:The only thing X is "by nature", is subjective.
If you try to make it objective you commit the referrential fallacy (like that committed by the abhidhammikas)
Going back to this, would you say then we should focus on the present moment, and focus on things as they appear, and not speculate about X nature etc i.e. not fall into metaphysics?
Note that many suttas talk about:
yathābhūtañāṇadassanaṃ: "The knowledge and vision of things as they really are."
(Though see this thread: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=daverupa for a discussion about ways of translating without the "real" tag, e.g. "knowledge and vision of things as they have become.").
E.g.:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .bodh.html
However this is translated, it appears that the goal is to see beyond "how things appear" (though careful attention to how things appear is, of course, a good start).
Mike