Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:48 pm

Nobody wants to display their dirty laundry, but I would be curious to know how he got through all of the background checks for his security clearance. The CNN crew found about 9 major pieces of fail that should have stopped him from having one and they found it in a day.
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The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby befriend » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:18 pm

lets not make a war on the mentally ill. people who suffer from mental illness are more likely to be the victim of a crime than to be the one acting out a crime. I am schizophrenic, bi polar, ocd, and ptsd, I would rather jump off a cliff than do anything that would break my precepts.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:04 am

Who is declaring war on the mentally ill?
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby SarathW » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:12 am

Hi Befriend
I just start to wonder whether all human suffer from some form of mental illness!
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:40 am

Digity wrote:This is more a story about mental health and the lax attitude Americans have towards guns.


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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Still Searching » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:33 am

I never would have thought a Buddhist would commit such a sin. I have known some Buddhists to have struggled with their spirituality and end up drinking, smoking, gambling or flirting with people but to harm another living creature is beyond humane.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby appicchato » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:25 am

A 'Buddhist' would not have done what this guy did...end of... :candle:
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby daverupa » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:10 am

appicchato wrote:A 'Buddhist' would not have done what this guy did...end of... :candle:


'No true scotsman' fallacy.
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    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby mirco » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:13 am

Dear Sarah,
SarathW wrote:I just start to wonder whether all human suffer from some form of mental illness!

More or less we all do.

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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby mirco » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:16 am

Still Searching wrote:I never would have thought a Buddhist would commit such a sin.

There are no sins in Buddhism. Only Dependent Origination.

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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby pilgrim » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:13 pm

Who taught him to use a gun? Buddhism or the Navy?
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby appicchato » Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:07 pm

'No true scotsman' fallacy.


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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby dagon » Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:29 pm

Headlines sell news papers and other media.

“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”
― Mark Twain

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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby purple planet » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:14 pm

“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”
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lol :lol: so true
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Still Searching » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:39 pm

appicchato wrote:A 'Buddhist' would not have done what this guy did...end of... :candle:


Agreed! That man is no Buddhist. Hopefully he was sick or had psychological problems and will learn from his mistakes.

pilgrim wrote:Who taught him to use a gun? Buddhism or the Navy?


Buddhism would not teach this man such an act of cruelty, Buddhism only promotes Truth, Peace & Tranquillity.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby clw_uk » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:54 pm

Viscid wrote:Truly bizarre.. It'll be interesting to see how it led to this-- how someone who is attracted to a religion which so emphatically denounces violence can murder so many people.



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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist taking SSRI?

Postby mirco » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:14 pm


According to his father, Aaron Alexis suffered from PTSD since he actively participated in rescue efforts on 9/11 and was treated for mental health issues.

Today, it's common to treat PTS-Disorder with SSRI antidepressant.

Popular SSRI product are among the ten worst prescription drug offenders that cause patients to become violent.

In the last 25 years psychiatric medication has been involved with at least 31 mass shootings....

google for "ssri side effects violence".




No idea, if he was taking psychiatric medication, just wondering...
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby befriend » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:46 pm

if hearing voices was the cause of violent behavior the amount of violent acts would be incredibly larger than what it is. dont attach to your opinions based on specious reasoning.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:02 am

Nobody likes it when people with the same affiliations/demographics as theirs publicly does things they and everyone else would object to. That is something everyone here with an interest in Buddhism has to accept, as well as people with mental illness. It happened, those things are who the shooter is.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.
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Re: Shooter at DC shipyard was Buddhist

Postby Pacific » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:34 am

many many people have their head in the sand when it comes to the kind of people who are attracted to Buddhism. The comments on that article denouncing it as offensive and trashy are pretty predictable. People don't just become "Buddhist" and then everything is peace and love. They are still people, they still suffer and have issue & sometimes those issues are quite serious. The article raises that point and I think it's important. If you hang around "western" temples long enough you might pick up on it. I've seen it myself. There are many who are mentally and emotionally unstable and so it goes in any religion. I can't speak for Buddhists in say Thailand but perhaps it's a similar situation...
Many with serious psychological disorders are attracted to religion, it gives security and safety. But, if you are not Thai or Chinese or whatever and you are hanging around as a westerner in these temples you might (or might not if you are lucky) quickly find barriers of language and culture. I know I did, that's why I had to look elsewhere. My attendance at the local Wat fell away when I realised I had to find a group to cater to my western upbringing and really I don't see what the problem is in doing that. Some temples are not much more than hangouts for the local Thai or Korean expat community and it's hard to get the support you really need in your practice. Buddhism can be very culturally specific but many want to overlook this. This has been my experience.

I found that article told some truths that many won't acknowledge. It's not about Buddhism or religion, it's about people and the questions being asked are valid.
Why did he want to become a monk? I once wanted to myself, because I thought I could somehow avoid living in the "real world" that way. I doubt that feeling is uncommon. But sometimes the best place for someone is not a temple or a meditation cushion, it's a psychiatric hospital.
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