The Wisdom of Ariyan Women

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Indeed, very powerful words.

As a contrary, there is this quote from Bahudhātuka Sutta:
15. “He understands: ‘It is impossible, it cannot happen that a woman could be an Accomplished One, a Fully Enlightened One—there is no such possibility.’1090 And he understands: ‘It is possible that a man might be an Accomplished One, a Fully Enlightened One—there is such a possibility.’ He understands: ‘It is impossible, it cannot happen that a woman could be a Wheel-turning Monarch…that a woman could occupy the position of Sakka [66]…that a woman could occupy the position of Māra…that a woman could occupy the position of Brahmā—there is no such possibility.’ And he understands: ‘It is possible that a man might be a Wheel-turning Monarch…that a man might occupy the position of Sakka…that a man might occupy the position of Māra…that a man might occupy the position of Brahmā—there is such a possibility.’
Taken from: http://palicanon.org/index.php/sutta-pi ... _link-2635

Personally, I don't like this quote, very chauvinistic.
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please don't write posts suggesting any suttas are inauthentic in classical forum
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robertk wrote:please don't write posts suggesting any suttas are inauthentic in classical forum
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Sorry and fixed.

It would be good to know an interpretation from someone expert in this topic :namaste:
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zamotcr wrote: It would be good to know an interpretation from someone expert in this topic :namaste:
Here is one:
Dhammanando wrote: It’s part and parcel of the general doctrine that in their final life bodhisattas will be reborn in circumstances that permit them to have the optimal impact upon devas and men.[1] For example, it is said that they will be reborn in whatever happens to be reckoned as the highest social class at that time; the place of their birth will be a cultured and not a barbarous one; they will be physically attractive, possessed of a good voice, etc. etc.

The texts don’t spell out precisely why it would be better for them to be men rather than women, but it's not hard to guess. As far as we know, all human societies are patriarchal, always have been, and most probably always will be.[2] So, if you’re intent on making a really big splash in the world, other things being equal, possession of a male body will stand you in better stead than possession of a female one.
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 68#p261168
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