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Commitment to a narrative of liberation

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Commitment to a narrative of liberation

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Postby SDC » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:57 pm

Whether done consciously or not I think we all have some idea of reaching liberation. I think we have to be able to imagine it to have any chance of reaching it.

It becomes a bad thing when it causes us to misjudge our position on the path, and neglect necessary steps between it and liberation.

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Re: Commitment to a narrative of liberation

Postby chownah » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:47 am

Isn't this "commitment to a narrative of liberation we have decided to accept" just a fancy way to say "clinging to awakening"?
Is it a necessary condition for success in the path, or is it a hindrance? Maybe it is just somewhere in between, depending on how it is grasped........and in the end must be dropped just like all views.
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Hi Tilt,

Yes that's what I see as the interesting question in a nutshell.

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Postby chownah » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:57 am

I am having a difficult time following the discussion because it seems that sometimes "narrative" refers to an individuals internal thought representation and it seems that sometimes "narrative" refers to some external text or exposition. It seems clear to me that there is a big difference between these two. While I think that Malcom (of the link in the original post) was referring to internal narrative it seems that the bulk of the use of narrative in this thread is of the external kind.....which is fine as long as we are all on the same page more or less.

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Re: Commitment to a narrative of liberation

Postby ancientbuddhism » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:23 am

Malcolm’s statement “And that is why there is no closed Canon in Buddhism, why there never can be.” is an amusing take on the raft simile. But I have to remember that this comes from a mahāyāna forum.

In Buddhist cultures that are heavily invested in tradition, the ‘narrative of liberation’ is painted on the temple walls. And acceptance of this tradition may be the basis for what makes one a ‘Buddhist’, indeed for some it is all they have. But what for some may come off as comparisons of East & West perspectives is the question – is this the same for the adherent motivated by the empirical results of contemplative work?

For myself, the liberation narrative is little more than a necessary part of the hagiographical picture. Rather, it is easier for me to assimilate the Tathāgata’s realisation through his instructions on contemplative praxis and analysis, and finding these confirmed in that work. In other words, I accept the former but seek through the latter.
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