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Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby josh71188 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:54 pm

Hello,
In a recent conversation with a Buddhist friend, she confessed that she believes the UK Conservative Party tend to promote inequality, greed and selfishness and thus confessed she could never bring herself to vote for them. This has led me to consider which, if any, UK political party hold values that reflect my own Buddhist inspired views. As such, I was wondering if any UK Buddhists out there had ever voted or intened to vote Conservative in a general election?

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Mr Man » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:53 pm

And the labour party?
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:08 pm

I have never voted, and probably never will, but if I did I would vote for the candidate rather than any particular party. The best politician are those who are honest, hard-working, and intelligent. I am not so cynical as to think that all politicians are dishonest.
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Sam Vara » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:23 pm

I have never voted Conservative, but it is worth noting that the Conservative candidates themselves would probably argue that they are promoting self-reliance, respect, responsibility and restraint as virtues.

And further worth noting that the actual difference in policies between the main parties is actually quite small. People become successful politicians in the UK because of the vision and desires which they stimulate in the electorate, while pretending that they have some degree of control over the overwhelming exigencies of political and economic globalisation.

Bhikkhu Pesala's point is extremely pertinent. Would you vote for a candidate who claimed to promote social justice if they also promoted, say, abortion or euthanasia?
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Aloka » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:55 pm

josh71188 wrote:, I was wondering if any UK Buddhists out there had ever voted or intened to vote Conservative in a general election?



No, I haven't - but there have also been times when I haven't voted for anyone at all.


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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby purple planet » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:05 pm

In every country and every city you never vote for a good candidate you just vote for the least worse candidate -
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Coyote » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:40 pm

I tend to agree with others here. I am not particularly knowledgeable about UK party policies so have voted for the candidate I feel would be the best. With a representative democracy you are never going to get an individual or a party who lines up 100% with what you think are the best policies.
Never voted conservative but that's mainly due to family allegiance. I think they would disown me if I ever did :tongue:
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby dagon » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:35 pm

you might find this interesting

British Parliament debates: Buddhist mindfulness in place of drugs -
http://www.dailynews.lk/features/britis ... lace-drugs

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby clw_uk » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:46 pm

I tend to vote for the Communist party of Britain or The Socialist Party. Have voted for the greens before as well.
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:14 am

Our political landscape here in Australia is rather similar (much more similar than the landscape itself, come to think of it :tongue: ) so some of you may find http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/ fun/interesting/useful. Just be aware that our Conservatives are the Coalition (of Liberal-by-name-only and National (essentially rural-conservative) parties). Our Labor is roughly the same as yours, as are the Greens. We have some small right-wing parties that I'm tempted to call a lunatic fringe but won't ... quite ... but they don't make much of an appearance in the quiz, if any.

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby SarathW » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:14 am

My dream is to find a politician who follow Dasa Raja Dhamma.
I do not think that will happen in my life time.

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby chownah » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:53 am

Who always keeps their campaign promises.......Nobody.
Who is not influenced by big money..........Nobody.
Who will serve in line with Buddhist ideas......Nobody.

The choice is clear, vote for Nobody.

Voting only encourages them.
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:18 am

Kim OHara wrote:Our political landscape here in Australia is rather similar (much more similar than the landscape itself, come to think of it :tongue: ) so some of you may find http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/ fun/interesting/useful. Just be aware that our Conservatives are the Coalition (of Liberal-by-name-only and National (essentially rural-conservative) parties). Our Labor is roughly the same as yours, as are the Greens. We have some small right-wing parties that I'm tempted to call a lunatic fringe but won't ... quite ... but they don't make much of an appearance in the quiz, if any.

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The only time in my life that I voted conservative was in the federal election before the last one. I knew the liberal party candidate - he was a friend and I knew he would have been a great representative for our electorate. I also know the newly elected (liberal party) representative for our electorate. His daughter and my daughter went through med school together and are best mates. I didn't vote for him despite my confidence in his abilities, but rather voted Green as a result of a lack of confidence in both our major parties, the lack of compassion in their policies and the morally dubious nature of their leaders.
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:10 am

purple planet wrote:In every country and every city you never vote for a good candidate you just vote for the least worse candidate -

Sarath and Chownah, this might be the best advice for you on this thread.
Voting for nobody gives a vote to the opponent/s of the least-worst candidate that you could have supported. And you don't want to support the most-worst candidate, do you?

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby purple planet » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:37 am

Here in israel I vote usually for the most right wing party i find ( in israel right and left has nothing to do with economy - in some ways in economy the israeli "right" is actually left) to the part who has a hard anti teror agenda and is against giving away land - and on the other hand i want to vote for a party who has animal rights agenda - there was a left wing party who claimed to be a "green" party - mainly in enviorment issues but also a little about animals

So i thought about this - and decided that if there is no israel - there wont be no animal rights anyway so i decided to choose the extreme right party - so in my view i choose from the least worst even though the party was not enough animal rights oriented in my opinion -

but after i decided i checked and saw that actually the right wing party has done a lot for animal rights much more then the left party - still its not enough in my opinion but i choose the least worst
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:39 am

purple planet wrote:Here in israel I vote usually for the most right wing party i find ( in israel right and left has nothing to do with economy - in some ways in economy the israeli "right" is actually left) to the part who has a hard anti teror agenda and is against giving away land - and on the other hand i want to vote for a party who has animal rights agenda - there was a left wing party who claimed to be a "green" party - mainly in enviorment issues but also a little about animals
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby SarathW » Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:06 am

Kim OHara wrote:
purple planet wrote:In every country and every city you never vote for a good candidate you just vote for the least worse candidate -

Sarath and Chownah, this might be the best advice for you on this thread.
Voting for nobody gives a vote to the opponent/s of the least-worst candidate that you could have supported. And you don't want to support the most-worst candidate, do you?

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Hi Kim
I did not say that I am against voting or I do not vote.
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I am just a dreamer! that's all
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby clw_uk » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:20 am

Here in israel I vote usually for the most right wing party i find ( in israel right and left has nothing to do with economy - in some ways in economy the israeli "right" is actually left) to the part who has a hard anti teror agenda and is against giving away land - and on the other hand i want to vote for a party who has animal rights agenda - there was a left wing party who claimed to be a "green" party - mainly in enviorment issues but also a little about animals


I hope you don't mean the land that was annexed?
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby purple planet » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:33 am

I hope you don't mean the land that was annexed?
i talk about all the land under israeli control even some that isnt and should be but i gave it only as an example - dont want to start a discussion on this subject - first cause i cant talk about other religons because of "terms of service" and its 90% of the issue and secondly it will derail this thread from the original post - it was a mistake i guess to post it - so im keeping away from this thread and other poiltical threads in the future
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby chownah » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:38 am

Kim OHara wrote:
purple planet wrote:In every country and every city you never vote for a good candidate you just vote for the least worse candidate -

Sarath and Chownah, this might be the best advice for you on this thread.
Voting for nobody gives a vote to the opponent/s of the least-worst candidate that you could have supported. And you don't want to support the most-worst candidate, do you?

:coffee:
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Kim OHara, this might be the best advice for you on this thread.
Electoral Politics is a game where hundreds of people get drowned at sea.......I don't play that kind of game.....it is a waste of my time. If voting could actually change society in a fundamental way it would be illegal. If you think that any of the politicians are going to change society in a fundamental way so that they lose their perks then you are dreaming. If you think the rich people who buy the politicians their office are going to work to fundamentally change society so they reduce their profits then you are dreaming. If you think society needs to be fundamentally changed then don't look to electoral politics......you'd accomplish more by getting rich and buying a politician.
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