Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:10 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:58 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:30 pm

Greetings Manapa,

I've read through the document and would be happy to share my thoughts on the Satipatthana practice, but not just yet, as I'm seeing and understanding the "Mental Qualities" in a slightly more profound light over the last day or two, so I might see where that takes me first.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:36 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:39 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:12 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:14 am

anyway finished the reediting just reading through making sure it is legible at least.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:19 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:38 am

I'll have a closer look


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:03 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby adeh » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:44 pm

In relation to the world and the body; "Rather it is in this fathom long carcass with its perceptions and its mind that I describe the world, the origin of the world, the cessation of the world, and the way leading to the cessation of the world." S.N. 2:26

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:05 pm

thank-you


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:58 am

Hi Retro & All
decided to start from the beginning again, so here is the finale if anyone want to read and comment on it.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Maha-Satipatthana Sutta

Postby ricebowl » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:10 pm

I read this before, pracised this before, intend to repeat this again when a suitable opportune moment arises. Sadhu sadhu sadhu /\

" Maha-satipatthana Sutta: The Great Frames of Reference" (DN 22), translated from the Pali by Burma Piṭaka Association. Access to Insight, 17 April 2011, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .bpit.html . Retrieved on 20 September 2013.


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