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Is intention kamma?

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Is intention kamma?

Postby Tom » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:24 am

Is intention itself kamma? For example, if one has an intention to undertake some deed, but ends up not doing the deed, is the intention itself considered kamma?

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby Sanjay PS » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:04 am

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby cooran » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:51 am

Hello Tom,

Yes - intentional action is kamma:
Intentional Action
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... kamma.html

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby beeblebrox » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:11 pm

Hi all,

I think the Buddha actually made a distinction in between the intention (or volition) and the mental kamma. The volition gives rise to the mental, speech and action kamma.

I think he (or maybe it's just commentary?) also put more weight on the mental kamma than the speech or action kamma.

I think that's something good to contemplate about. Maybe it could be because when one speaks or acts, it's easier to see what kind of fruits that will make... rather than just thinking about it and then not seeing what actually happens if that's acted or spoken upon?

Also, it might be because the mental kamma happens more frequently (just from my observation) rather than speech or action kamma, so there's more opportunity to practice with the mental kamma.

Also, I think if the mental kamma becomes habitual, it will eventually find a way to manifest itself into the physical realm... so it's always good to take care of that every time it comes up. Study it... don't try just to ignore it, or suppress it.

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby Sanjay PS » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:21 pm

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby chownah » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:24 pm

"Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech, & intellect.
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AN 6.63 PTS: A iii 410
Nibbedhika Sutta: Penetrative
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 1997


Seems pretty clear cut and straightforward.

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Re: Is intention kamma?

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:24 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby Tom » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:21 am

Would "volition" or some other term be a better translation of "cetana"?

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Re: Is intention kamma?

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Re: Is intention kamma?

Postby Dr. Dukkha » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:33 pm

"There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting."


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