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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 07, 2009 3:59 am

Greetings,

FYI... a related thread at Dharma Wheel.

How has Theravada benefited your practice?
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=130

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"We do not embrace reason at the expense of emotion. We embrace it at the expense of self-deception."
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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:39 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:37 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Pannapetar » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:15 am

To answer the question of the thread starter: For myself, being "locked" into Theravada by living in Thailand, the Mahayana perspective has certainly been useful. I can say it has enhanced my understanding. My favourites are the Heart Sutra, the Lotus Sutra, the Diamond Sutra, the Mahaparinirvana Sutra and the Platform Sutra. I also found several books quite helpful, such as the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying by Sogyal Rinpoche.

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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:37 am

Many things may be useful, anything can be useful if approached correctly. However the Way Of The Elders is complete in itself. As a very experienced Forest Tradition monk once said to me after reading Sogyal Rinpoche's BOTD. " Its very good, but as far as I am concerned all of the mahayana is gilding the lily. "

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Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:09 am

The forest monk in question is one of the most famous and known to be an excellent forest monk. I will not name him because the conversation was private and off the record. Western forest monks and increasingly Asian ones too are almost always aquainted with whole gamut of Buddhist views before committing to the Theravada Sangha. They do not make that commitment because they prefer the colour of the robes. Many of them, and this can be easily verified, like the one I have quoted make that choice precisely because of the absence of concepts like " Buddha Nature" and the " Bodhisattva vow ". I dont think that is a controversial statement, particularly in the context of a Theravada website.
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Postby tiltbillings » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:16 am

To some degree there are things within the Mahayana that are of interest and value to Theravadins, but being a complete and full path to the same awakening acheived by the Buddha, there is nothing that the Theravada needs from the Mahayana.

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The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Pannapetar » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:54 am

I think that "gilding the lily" expresses at least to some degree the sort of dismissive attitude that the word "hinayana" expresses. It's sort of judgmental. I doubt that there is any final answer to the Threadstarter's question... I mean who wants to be the judge? And why invite problematic generalisation? All we can say is whether Mahayana was helpful to us personally at one point or another, or not. Being landlocked in Theravada, it was occasionally helpful for me, but Theravada is still my "bread and butter".

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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:35 am

I have no problem with " judgemental ". Its just another word for discrimination, discernment. It is an essential part of discovering The Dhamma.

Its not after all as if any one involved with this discussion is going to a clearly marked Zen Forum and telling them that their lives would be complete if they adopted just a wee pinch of the Theravada. Zen people have I assume exercised their judgement and reached a different conclusion to me. Personally I think we should be green or we should be yellow. Not some shade of greeny-yellowy.
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Re: Is Mahayana perspective useful for Theravada practitioners?

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:26 am

Dear members,

Please keep in mind that although Dhamma Wheel is a forum for the discussion of the Theravada, it is a forum where all those interested in the Theravada, regardless of their affiliation, feel welcome and respected. I would like members to keep that in mind when responding to this and other threads. While we may have found our respective Theravadin practices to be the ekayano maggo for ourselves, be aware that many valued members are sincere practitioners of the Mahayana or Vajrayana. Its also been my observation that humilty is an artefact of genuine spiritual progress.
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