non self

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non self

Postby befriend » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:02 pm

I don't see how not having control over ones bodily functions, thoughts, views, etc.... is non self. could someone explain this to me, please? thank you, befriend
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Re: non self

Postby Virgo » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:29 pm

Dear befriend, some excellent conversations:







And some further reading:





:anjali: Kevin


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Re: non self

Postby befriend » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:37 am

what does form mean, in Buddhism?
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Re: non self

Postby Virgo » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:23 am



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Re: non self

Postby befriend » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:55 am

someone said to me, views are nonself, because we cant control them, if we could control them they would be self. we would say please go away view, and it would obey, or stay in my mind view, and it would stay. but this is not the case so views are non self, don't cling to it as being yours. do I have to understand how a self would be able to control views?
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Re: non self

Postby chownah » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:10 am


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Re: non self

Postby befriend » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:07 am

thank you very much
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Re: non self

Postby reflection » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:33 pm

I get the idea that you try to understand 'nonself' by trying to understand self. But self is not one thing or one view even. It is a collection of different views that people can have and so you can't really understand it as a fixed thing. For example, the idea of being in control of something is per definition a view of self. Even if you don't know what exactly is in control or how it works, if you have an idea of being in control, that is self view. But since the Buddha said, no control like that exists, that kind of self view is wrong.

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Re: non self

Postby kirk5a » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:28 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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