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Postby kc2dpt » Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:11 pm

I feel like I'm seeing an increasing number of threads being moved to the "free-for-all" forum. A mod has two choices: delete posts or move the thread. I think the intent of the OP should weigh heavily. If the OP wanted a free-for-all then he or she could have started the thread there. I am not interested in the type of conversation that is permitted there. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. When you move a thread there, you take it away from me and those like me. If someone posts to a thread and that post is not appropriate for that forum, then delete the post. Don't let one person hijack a whole thread.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:14 pm

Hi Peter
I'm not aware of any threads being moved. Are there any that concern you particularly?
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby kc2dpt » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:51 pm

For example I recall "mahayana perspective" and "tolerance" being in other forums originally. I was participating in both threads until they were moved. Or maybe I'm misremembering. If you say things aren't being moved then maybe I'm just confused.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:41 pm

I am conscious that I was involved with both those threads. If in any way I hijacked them, I apologise.


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Re: hijacking threads

Postby genkaku » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:53 pm

I learned a long time ago not to put topics in the forum I thought was most appropriate. Since Buddhism, for my money, is wide and alive and recognizes no stop signs, I like it when a topic kind of flows from point to point according to the poster: Some love quoting scripture, some will tell you about a ball game they went to, some will speak of meditation difficulties ... an endless link, one thing to the next. But this is just my taste and why, rather than ruffling anyone's Buddhist feathers, I always post in the least restrictive and defined forum. It's just my taste: Hijacking is what happens quite naturally.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:03 pm

Hi Peter
I've searched the moderation log and the last thread moved into the Dhammic-free-for-all was "How are the views of Buddhadasa Bhikkhu regarded?" on 16th July. Since then, there have been a few other thread movements but they've typically been threads moved from 'Discovering Theravada' to 'Personal Experience' and 'Personal Experience' to 'Lounge' I've also searched the log to the 11th May and I couldn't find any evidence of those threads you enquired about being moved.
I'm happy to discuss if you have any further questions.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:09 pm

I moved Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions? almost as soon as it was posted in the Lounge to the free-for-all section, because seemed to have more Dhammic issues than not, but it could have stayed where it was.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Individual » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:26 am

Peter wrote:I feel like I'm seeing an increasing number of threads being moved to the "free-for-all" forum. A mod has two choices: delete posts or move the thread. I think the intent of the OP should weigh heavily. If the OP wanted a free-for-all then he or she could have started the thread there. I am not interested in the type of conversation that is permitted there. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. When you move a thread there, you take it away from me and those like me. If someone posts to a thread and that post is not appropriate for that forum, then delete the post. Don't let one person hijack a whole thread.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:57 am

Hi Individual,
3. The "Free-for-all" forum may not be suitable for everyone

The purpose of this sub-forum is to openly permit important and challenging discussion on the Dhamma. By establishing a particular forum as a Free-For-All, albeit one where members must still be nice to each other, we aim to keep other areas of the site free from vociferous debate. We have attempted to establish an appropriate time and place for everything, with well established boundaries that will be enforced. Therefore, if you deem that vociferous debate is not conducive to your practice, you have the opportunity to fine tune your experience at Dhamma Wheel by sticking to forums better aligned with your practice that will be protected from such intense debate.

Clearly some people think that vociferous debate is not conducive to their practise. And/or they want to have a discussion about issues from a Theravada perspective without having to spend time debating issues that they feel should be taken as read.

In my experience, discussions focussed on particular technical issues (be they Buddhist or something else) are usually much more useful than wide-ranging ones.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby kc2dpt » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:59 am

Apparently it's my mistake then. Perhaps the tone of the thread changed and only then I noticed what forum it was in. In any case, it's apparently nothing you can do anything about.

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I suppose what I'm seeing is an increased starting of threads in free-for-all, which speaks more towards the quality of the OPs than it does of the replies. :shrug:
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:46 am

Hi Peter

If there is anything we can do, such as starting a parallel thread in the classical forum, please let us know.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Individual » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:47 am

Peter wrote:I suppose what I'm seeing is an increased starting of threads in free-for-all

What do you expect? This is a discussion forum.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby kc2dpt » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:36 pm

Individual wrote:
Peter wrote:I suppose what I'm seeing is an increased starting of threads in free-for-all
What do you expect? This is a discussion forum.

This is a Buddhist discussion forum and I suppose I expect putthujanas to act like putthujanas. What I would hope is that most people who come to a Buddhism discussion forum would want to discuss Buddhism. That means seeking an answer consistent with the Buddhist tradition. Asking a question in free-for-all seems to me less about learning Buddhism and more about seeking debate and ego-gratification.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:17 pm

Hi Peter
Peter wrote:
Individual wrote:
Peter wrote:I suppose what I'm seeing is an increased starting of threads in free-for-all
What do you expect? This is a discussion forum.

This is a Buddhist discussion forum and I suppose I expect putthujanas to act like putthujanas. What I would hope is that most people who come to a Buddhism discussion forum would want to discuss Buddhism. That means seeking an answer consistent with the Buddhist tradition. Asking a question in free-for-all seems to me less about learning Buddhism and more about seeking debate and ego-gratification.


For the most part, the free-for-all isn't my cup of tea for precisely the same reason it isn't yours. However, sometimes, it might be a useful exercise to consider the free-for-all as a venue for members to refute adhamma and that which is not consistent with the Buddhist tradition. Its something to think about.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby clw_uk » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:25 pm

It is a useful forum to have, without such room for debate conversation will tend to become quite rigid



Plus without challenges one never learns if there view/argument actually holds up


However it is good to have a classical section where traditions can be explained



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Re: hijacking threads

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:35 am

Ben wrote:However, sometimes, it might be a useful exercise to consider the free-for-all as a venue for members to refute adhamma and that which is not consistent with the Buddhist tradition. Its something to think about.

The same points could be discussed in the other forums if the participants have enough humility and respect.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:04 am

Peter wrote:
Ben wrote:However, sometimes, it might be a useful exercise to consider the free-for-all as a venue for members to refute adhamma and that which is not consistent with the Buddhist tradition. Its something to think about.

The same points could be discussed in the other forums if the participants have enough humility and respect.


I couldn't agree more Peter. My motivation is when i engage in that forum is to try and refute an inconsistent or erroneous point of view for the benefit of those who may come along to seek clarification. But as I said earlier, I don't have the stomach for a lot of discussion that occurs in the free-for-all. sometimes its all I can do to go in that forum and moderate and ensure everyone's behaving themselves.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:58 am

Ben wrote:
Peter wrote:
Ben wrote:However, sometimes, it might be a useful exercise to consider the free-for-all as a venue for members to refute adhamma and that which is not consistent with the Buddhist tradition. Its something to think about.

The same points could be discussed in the other forums if the participants have enough humility and respect.


I couldn't agree more Peter. My motivation is when i engage in that forum is to try and refute an inconsistent or erroneous point of view for the benefit of those who may come along to seek clarification. But as I said earlier, I don't have the stomach for a lot of discussion that occurs in the free-for-all. sometimes its all I can do to go in that forum and moderate and ensure everyone's behaving themselves.
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Having now got the lay of the land a little re Dhamma Wheel Forum I think it unlikely that I will be visiting the "Free For All " again. It seems there really may be people who roam Buddhist websites courting controversy. I find it astonishing.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:13 am

Hi Sanghamitta

My advice to you is the same as my advice to Peter. So please feel free to contribute in that forum should you wish to do so.
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but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
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tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:32 am

Thanks Ben. I realise that any website needs a pressure cooker valve. Not my cup of tea though if you will excuse the mixed metaphor.... :smile:

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