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Buddhism and War

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Postby cooran » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:39 pm

Hello all,

This may be of interest:

Buddhism and The Soldier
http://www.beyondthenet.net/thedway/soldier.htm

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Postby santa100 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:27 am

From AN 5.34, Siha Sutta ( http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html ), notice general Siha asked a general question about the fruits of "someone" who practices generosity (He didn't specifically ask about himself). And so the Buddha also gave an answer about the five fruits without mentioning the general's name. It's also common to see in the Nikayas that the devas in the heavenly worlds are not immuned from their past negative kamma. All the pleasures they enjoy in the heavenly world will not last forever. Then they'll fall back into the lower realms to repay their past kammic debts just like anyone else..

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Postby rohana » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:41 am

We can't really draw too many conclusions here; we don't know whether general Sīha is actually going to war. Plenty of people in the military never see an actual battlefield. I'd guess as a Sōtapanna, if it actually came to a situation where he would either have to kill or encourage killing, he would not do it.

I think we need to be careful of generalizing too much from what little background information we get from the Suttas. For example, if you look at the , it's not saying that "everyone in the entertainment industry is going to hell", but something more nuanced. The Buddha tells us exactly what conditions could lead Tālaputa to a bad rebirth: a)being intoxicated and heedless himself and b)promoting intoxication and heedlessness. So, is it the case that many actors/actresses could be promoting unskillful behaviour? Probably. But are all actors/actresses being unskillful to the extent that it leads them to a bad rebirth? I don't think we can categorically say that.

It's the same issue with the military. Is the military generally a conducive place for cultivating skillful conduct? No. But we cannot make any categorical statements and ultimately it has to be considered on a case-by-case for every individual in the military.
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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby greenjuice » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:16 am

Being that there is nothing unwholesome in defense of self (and presumably others), Buddhists can participate in war as combatants, although I doubt that a non-buddhist army would want Buddhists in their ranks, being that the defensive action of a Buddhist is restricted by it's lack of intention to kill. A Buddhist army would be a very strange one, when compared to all other in our known history.
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If one is a Theravadin, then it follows that one accepts the Tipitaka as correct.

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby SarathW » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:11 am

This link may help with this discussion.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ssage.html
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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby greenjuice » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:32 am

That text is pretty biased towards pacifism, Thanissaro just mentions in passing the fact that Buddha approved of self-defense and continues to advocate his view. Also, in his book about Buddhist Monastic Code, he rather reluctantly mentions the non-offense part of the Pc 74 rule, which states that violence done in self-defense is a non-offense, giving a shortest summary possible to an important question like that, he gives more room e.g. for the non-offense part of rules against lighting a fire to warm oneself and against hiding another's belongings as joke.

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby greenjuice » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:34 pm

It should be noted that Buddhism isn't vague on the subject. No killing is ever wholesome. You can be a soldier and go to war and do violence, but if you intentionally kill anyone, you have broken the first precept, which is always unwholesome.


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