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Haters Holding US Hostage Embraced Denial, Resistance and Wi

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:39 am

Interesting article about politics, character and psychology :

Stubbornly resentful people like these hang out in the company of a tenacious trio: denial, resistance, and willful ignorance. They cling to their limited sense of self, embrace the status-quo, and stifle their own inner growth. They are inclined to dislike if not hate anyone who, unlike them, is not suffocating from closed minds and hearts.


http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/comm ... -ignorance

Hateful people are beguiled by self-image and diminished by self-centeredness. They can't bring themselves to step out from behind an ego-centered mentality that cuts them off from an appreciation of (and emotional connection to) their own deeper humanity and the people around them. Their ego, which demands allegiance to its self-importance, is experienced as their core or essence. Their only reverence is for the sanctity of self-image. Their hatred is for those who discount this "religion."


Are these accurate descriptions of this segment in american politics?
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Postby purple planet » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:18 am

- didnt read the article stooped at the start -
Many haters of Barack Obama claim his policies are stifling their freedom. In fact, they dislike him because he's a shining example of what they refuse to become—a civil, considerate, rational, and powerful (in his own self) human being. They want to tear him down so he doesn't make them feel so personally inadequate.


because im a huge obama hater - why ? even though i dont know he might be great in internal u.s politics (as far as i know! which is not much ! health care seems like a good idea or gun control - not sure of nothing though ) in the world politics his a disaster !

i dont really "hate" him but all his actions - so like a monk uses "me" and "i" when there isnt a real self - so do i say i hate obama to describe all the huge damage he has done in the world - yes much more then any president before him - so i think its starting an article with a lie to call his actions :
civil, considerate, rational


I wont explain myself and get to a discussion because i will have to say something about a certain religon and it will brake the TOS - so i will end my part with this post
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Postby chownah » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:24 am

m0rl0ck,
I think you have described everybody except you and me......and I'm not too sure about you.
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Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:36 am

chownah wrote:m0rl0ck,
I think you have described everybody except you and me......and I'm not too sure about you.
chownah


:D

Yeah that was my take on it too. We have met the enemy and he is us. :)
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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:31 pm

purple planet wrote:- didnt read the article stooped at the start -
Many haters of Barack Obama claim his policies are stifling their freedom. In fact, they dislike him because he's a shining example of what they refuse to become—a civil, considerate, rational, and powerful (in his own self) human being. They want to tear him down so he doesn't make them feel so personally inadequate.


because im a huge obama hater - why ? . . . do i say i hate obama to describe all the huge damage he has done in the world - yes much more then any president before him . . . .
And you have just shown a remarkable ignorance.
I wont explain myself and get to a discussion because i will have to say something about a certain religon and it will brake the TOS - so i will end my part with this post
You think Obama is a Muslim?
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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:42 pm

Must... resist... temptation... to... debate... AAAAGH!!!! :computerproblem:
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Postby purple planet » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:59 pm

You think Obama is a Muslim?


That wasnt what i meant to imply - i meant that i cant talk about his action which have lots to do with contact to islam and its not ok by TOS to talk bad about other reliogns ( i can understand why and i respect it just wanted to remarke on an article which seemed very narrow minded and biased)

And you have just shown a remarkable ignorance.


Sorry would love to explain but i will stick to not entering a discussion just want to remark that that article is not accurate to say the least - (i read it all and it has other wrong ideas also )
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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:17 pm

I was about to criticise you, but then I saw you are from Israel. Take it from someone who neither lives in paranoic fear of islam (which is understandable from an Israeli national) but who knows what the religion is: Obama has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with islam. He is a bad president, but not because of any of that. But at least he's not a lizard! :tongue:

This is the best confrontation I've ever seen between a politician and a comedian. After Louis CK suggested that Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were lizards from outer space who ate mexican babies, Donald Rumsfeld ended apologizing to Louis CK!! :bow:

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Postby purple planet » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:25 pm

Sorry i didnt want to reply at all - did it in a unmindful moment - but i guess everytime i am in the lounge area i am unmindful

Again i really dont want to reply - i know its an annoying statement lol its just i read the article - and felt i need to say something

but just as a fact obama has huge connection to islam - he talks to iran today - there are now "peace talks" between israel and arabs talks which are with his support - libiya - gadafi , iraq , afghanistan , pakistan ,egypet ,syria ... - every American president has something to do with islam
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Postby rohana » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:45 pm

purple planet wrote:but just as a fact obama has huge connection to islam - he talks to iran today - there are now "peace talks" between israel and arabs talks which are with his support - libiya - gadafi , iraq , afghanistan , pakistan ,egypet ,syria ... - every American president has something to do with islam


So, basically you've re-defined "having something to do with Islam" to "being aware of international politics".

Got it.
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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:45 pm

purple planet wrote:Sorry i didnt want to reply at all - did it in a unmindful moment - but i guess everytime i am in the lounge area i am unmindful

Again i really dont want to reply - i know its an annoying statement lol its just i read the article - and felt i need to say something

but just as a fact obama has huge connection to islam - he talks to iran today - there are now "peace talks" between israel and arabs talks which are with his support - libiya - gadafi , iraq , afghanistan , pakistan ,egypet ,syria ... - every American president has something to do with islam
Shinning ignorance.
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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:46 pm

No. Those talks are to protect your country, which is of unvaluable military strategic importance to erase the middle east, the day the US sees it's needed, and to get oil in a crisis situation. Of course nobody wants a full scale war. That's why there is all this diplomatic effort.
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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:47 pm

Modus.Ponens wrote:I was about to criticise you, but then I saw you are from Israel. Take it from someone who neither lives in paranoic fear of islam (which is understandable from an Israeli national) but who knows what the religion is: Obama has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with islam. He is a bad president, but not because of any of that. But at least he's not a lizard!
George W. Bush was a bad president.
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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:02 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:I was about to criticise you, but then I saw you are from Israel. Take it from someone who neither lives in paranoic fear of islam (which is understandable from an Israeli national) but who knows what the religion is: Obama has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with islam. He is a bad president, but not because of any of that. But at least he's not a lizard!
George W. Bush was a bad president.


Yes. Worse.

But I, as a proud socialist (in the modern/nordic sense of the word), am very disapointed, to say the least, with the aledged socialism of Obama. I know he is facing opposition by a group of intractable numbskuls, but he could do better.
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Postby purple planet » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:18 pm

but just as a fact obama has huge connection to islam - he talks to iran today - there are now "peace talks" between israel and arabs talks which are with his support - libiya - gadafi , iraq , afghanistan , pakistan ,egypet ,syria ... - every American president has something to do with islam


i dont put an opinion as i said i wont get into disccusion - just said that in the peace talks islam has a connection to them and the u.s president has like it has in all of the countrys i menitioned - i didnt put an opinion at all im just trying to show that the u.s and its president have a connection to islam - again not saying bad or good just the fact that there is a strong connection - this is a fact - this is not my personal opinion - when i say his support i meant to emphasis his involved and i would give exmaples to all other countrys but was lazy to do so

so again - didnt say anything to disscussion just to make the point that obama is connected to islam like all u.s presidents (not saying if his muslim or not)


Shinning ignorance.


Thats harsh speech - i thought you are quite advanced in the path at least more then me - how does this seat with right speech ?
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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:20 pm

purple planet wrote:
Shinning ignorance.


Thats harsh speech - you have some really good posts - i thought you are quite advanced in the path at least more then me - how does this seat with right speech ?
It is not harsh speech. It is that you simply do not know what you are taking about.
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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:23 pm

Modus.Ponens wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:I was about to criticise you, but then I saw you are from Israel. Take it from someone who neither lives in paranoic fear of islam (which is understandable from an Israeli national) but who knows what the religion is: Obama has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with islam. He is a bad president, but not because of any of that. But at least he's not a lizard!
George W. Bush was a bad president.


Yes. Worse.

But I, as a proud socialist (in the modern/nordic sense of the word), am very disapointed, to say the least, with the aledged socialism of Obama. I know he is facing opposition by a group of intractable numbskuls, but he could do better.
He could? Well, share with us what he could do that is better. Show us your insight into this problem. Shows how he is a bad president.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:25 pm

Shalom purpleplanet,

Actually, the U.S. has been historically on the side of Israel in almost all issues related to the Middle East. Most people who have complained about the U.S. - Israeli connection, have complained that it is too strongly biased toward Israel and not enough of a balance of considering the concerns and plight of Arabs in the region. Most nations and people around the world feel that U.S. foreign policy has been too biased toward Israel, not the other way around.

I personally would like to see a more balanced position -- for the sake of peace for everyone. But of course I don't live in Israel anymore, so understand that there are a multitude of views. But I think it would be best for Israel too, if there was more peace, not warfare.
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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:45 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:George W. Bush was a bad president.


Yes. Worse.

But I, as a proud socialist (in the modern/nordic sense of the word), am very disapointed, to say the least, with the aledged socialism of Obama. I know he is facing opposition by a group of intractable numbskuls, but he could do better.
He could? Well, share with us what he could do that is better. Show us your insight into this problem. Shows how he is a bad president.


Well I must admit I'm not very well informed on the subject, so my opinion has limited value. My information of american politics comes mainly from the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. However, the fact that Obama cannot "sell" the idea that people who are poor have the right to not die because of lack of health treatment, is absolutely insane! Many rich people paying less percentage of taxes than poor people is absolutely insane! If he can't argue the obvious it's either because he is incompetent or because he doesn't want to. Either way, he's a bad president.
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Postby purple planet » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:48 pm

all this politcal issues are strongly connected to islam - how can i talk about this issues without talking about islam ? - i cant
( by the way im no bush fan just saying obama is worse)

as always i try to stay away from the lounge - not with success so i hope this is my last post feel free to continue to reply just dont expect me to reply

purple planet wrote:

Shinning ignorance.



Thats harsh speech - you have some really good posts - i thought you are quite advanced in the path at least more then me - how does this seat with right speech ?

It is not harsh speech. It is that you simply do not know what you are taking about.


i guess its about my views and not me - even though i talked bad about the article - i talked about the article and not about the writer of the article + his not here ( i hope ) -

Shinning ignorance
- i guess it can be seen as a legit statment about my post and its not clearly wrong i cant say exactly why but it does seem like harsh speech and as something that could have been softer - like : "this view point is ignorant" or "what you said is ignorant" - that way the reader dosnt connect it with "himself"
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