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Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

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Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Digity » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:00 am

I want to start adding more meditation sessions to my day. I would like to do some meditation after I get home from work and settle in a bit. This would be around 7:00 pm. However, when I usually try to meditate around that time I feel very drowsy and most of my meditation session is me half nodding off. When I meditate in the morning then I'm obviously fine. I'm wondering what to do about this. Should I just keep doing it until I learn to stay up? Should I rest on the bed for about 20 minutes before starting? Should I just do all my meditation in the morning? What are your thoughts? My plan was to continue doing breath meditation in the morning and then metta meditation after work.

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:05 am

Do walking meditation.

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Digity » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:12 am

I was doing walking meditation, but I kind of stopped. The thing is, I've benefited greatly from doing breath meditation, but I've seen very little benefit or development through my walking meditation. I kind of gave up on it. I don't know if this was a good idea or not, but I feel like I get a lot more out of my sitting sessions than I do from my walking meditation. That's why I'd like to focus primarily on sitting, but that's not to say I won't eventually return back to doing walking meditation. However, I still don't feel like I "get" walking meditation...when I do sitting meditation I feel like I "get" it.

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Sanjay PS » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:40 am

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The path of Dhamma is no picnic . It is a strenuous march steeply up the hill . If all the comrades desert you , Walk alone ! Walk alone ! with all the Thrill !!

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Ben » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:06 am

Have a cold shower. That should make you a bit more alert.
Or - you could just deal with the hindrance of sloth and torpor.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Digity » Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:19 am

I'm struggling with walking meditation and have somewhat given up on it. Can someone recommend any good books, articles or talks to help me with my walking meditation.

Also, can you train yourself to overcome tiredness? If you're just physically tired isn't the natural response to start dozing off or can you counteract that?

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby no mike » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:58 pm

I read this post as I have had similar frustrating issues with nodding off.

Not sure if you do this, but I want to share with you that I retrained myself to do meditation with eyes open. It has helped a lot.

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:46 pm

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby purple planet » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:50 pm

About walking mediation -

Just want to share something - i didnt have a single insight yet but i got some intersting meditation experiences and most of them and the more intersting ones came in the walking meditation -

I also wondered if its helpful cause i didnt "feel" concentrated - but did it anyway and when i had a bad meditation - lots of thoughts in the walking - i got some nice experience which i didnt get when sitting - and i didnt feel concentrated and peaceful at all - actually the opposite - and it happened on the beginning of that meditation session so i coulnt have built much concentration

so just add that to reduce doubt - logical reason were given here and are easy to find - like : *you train to be mindful during the day and walking is one of the 4 postures so its important to train in it
* its preparation for sitting - because it also developes concentration
*it helps stay awake in the sitting
* balances the restlesness and sloth and tropor ( reduces the second) - not sure about this but think its true
* its said its healthy - it might even help with back pain
*in the mahsi technique at least the walking should be same amount of time as the sitting - so the walking also enables you to meditate for double the time - even if its hard for you to do a very long sitting

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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Sanjay PS » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:20 am

Hello ,

Found this narration in one of the Dhamma Wheel post , where in Lord Buddha advises to Venerable Maha Mogallana with regard to dealing with drowsiness.



How to overcome sleepiness

Once the Exalted One spoke to the Venerable Maha-Moggallana thus: "Are you drowsy, Moggallana? Are you drowsy, Moggallana?" — "Yes, venerable sir."

(1) "Well then, Moggallana, at whatever thought torpor has befallen you, to that thought you should not give attention, you should not dwell on it frequently. Then it is possible that, by so doing, torpor will disappear.

(2) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you should think and reflect within your mind about the Dhamma as you have heard and learned it, and you should mentally review it. Then it is possible that, by so doing, torpor will disappear.

(3) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you should learn by heart the Dhamma in its fullness, as you have heard and learned it. Then it is possible...

(4) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you should shake your ears, and rub your limbs with the palm of your hand. Then it is possible...

(5) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you should get up from your seat, and after washing your eyes with water, you should look around in all directions and look upwards to the stars in the sky. Then it is possible...

(6) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you should firmly establish the (inner) perception of light: as it is by day, so also by night; as it is by night, so also by day. Thus with a mind clear and unobstructed, you should develop a consciousness which is full of brightness. Then it is possible...

(7) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you should, conscious of that which is before and behind, walk up and down, with your senses turned inwards, with your mind not going outwards. Then it is possible...

(8) "But if, by so doing, that torpor does not disappear, you may lie down on your right side, taking up the lion's posture, covering foot with foot — mindful, clearly conscious, keeping in mind the thought of rising. Having awakened again, you should quickly rise, thinking: 'I won't indulge in the enjoyment of lying down and reclining, in the enjoyment of sleep!'

"Thus, Moggallana, you should train yourself!"

— AN 7:58
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Re: Meditating after work (drowsiness issues)

Postby Kamran » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:35 am

:goodpost:

I will try number 2 and 3 above next time i am drowsy. I think getting the mind working with conceptual meditations, or reciting suttas, which requires even more mental activity, may also be helpful.
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