Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

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Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby Dr. Dukkha » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:53 pm

From what I've read, Buddha said that business in meat is one of the five types of business that we should not engage in. I'm a vegetarian myself and I would like to cook for vegetarians at a restaurant of the like. But in order to graduate from culinary school, I would have to cook meat as well.
Is this considered wrong livelihood to cook the meat? What if I can't find a job at a vegetarian restaurant and have to cook meet for a living? Would being in that business be wrong livelihood?
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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby Paul Davy » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:14 pm

Greetings,

Dr. Dukkha wrote:Is this considered wrong livelihood to cook the meat?

In the context of Right Livelihood, my understanding is that it's the conversion from animal to meat which is the issue. i.e. killing.

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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby nibbuti » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:20 pm

Dr. Dukkha wrote:Is being a cook wrong livelihood?


Only if you're a bad cook.

:stirthepot:


But in order to graduate from culinary school, I would have to cook meat as well.
Is this considered wrong livelihood to cook the meat? What if I can't find a job at a vegetarian restaurant and have to cook meet for a living?

Obviously, one needs some kind of schooling and a job to get by in this world.

So the principle of least harm would be: to graduate even if you have to cook meat for that, and to look for a vegetarian restaurant, even if you have to work at a non-vegetarian restaurant for the time being.

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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby Dhammanando » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:50 pm

Dr. Dukkha wrote:From what I've read, Buddha said that business in meat is one of the five types of business that we should not engage in


The term ‘maṃsavaṇijjā’ means ‘butchery’, but in the traditional sense, not the modern one. Traditionally a butcher’s trade consisted in killing animals and then selling their meat; it is this that is wrong livelihood. Its modern equivalent would be the abattoir business. What we nowadays called a ‘butcher’ is usually just a meat-seller, not an animal-killer. This is not included in wrong livelihood. The same consideration applies to other occupations involved with the subsequent processing of the meat, including your own.
    Yathā bubbuḷakaṃ passe, yathā passe marīcikaṃ,
    Evaṃ lokaṃ avekkhantaṃ, maccurājā na passati.

    One should see it as a bubble;
    One should see it as a mirage.
    Who regards the world thus
    The King of Death sees him not.
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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby SarathW » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:37 am

This may help you as well.

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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby Dr. Dukkha » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:38 pm

Thanks, guys! That helps so much!
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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby Monkey Mind » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:42 am

In culinary school, you might be required to cook live lobster, crab, squid, etc.

Perhaps you can privately request permission to be excused from anything like that.
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Re: Is being a cook wrong livelihood?

Postby chownah » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:08 pm

In Thailand there are Buddhists who eat live crabs from time to time. You eat the very small ones (they are land crabs and live in the rice fields).......they are just bite size......the trick is to hold them the right way so they can't pinch you when you put them into your mouth and then bite them quickly. They're Ok......the shell is soft when they are so small but still sort of gritty.
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