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Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby robertk » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:31 am

The black magic beliefs crack me up. I remember a woman in bangkok who told me never to show my passport to a Thai woman - as she might take the information to a witch doctor who would use it to make an irresistible love spell.

I told her vipassana was stronger than magic but she looked doubtful.. :lol:

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby hermitwin » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:38 am

Here is my take.
It is a prerogative of a monk to disrobe.
However, why not just tell the truth.
For example, I fell in love with a woman
and I want to marry her.
To say that it is a previous life connection is probably true.
But the Buddha said we had countless spouses in our previous lives.
So, not a very good reason.

The whole teaching of Buddha is how to leave samsara.
For someone to spend a lifetime as a monk and then get
married, all I wish for is the truth.
Dont give excuses.
Everyone has the right to live their life the way they like.
Just Spare me the b***sh*t.

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby Hickersonia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:14 pm

I honestly hope they are very happy together and experience as little stress as possible in their marriage. Perhaps they both might yet put an end to suffering in this life? Who knows? :anjali:
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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby manas » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:04 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby chownah » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:10 am

Maybe he just didn't want to continue with his life at the temple.....perhaps he was no longer inspired by it......perhaps he felt that he was no longer having a beneficial impact there, like a musician who no longer writes music......maybe the couple are just compatible in life style and there is no sensual component at all.

Has anyone here ever retired from their career? Has anyone here ever changed careers?
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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby PeterB » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:47 am

If I might be permitted to stick my puzzled nose in.
Why is it anyone's business apart from this gentleman and his wife ? :smile:

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby Sokehi » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:43 pm

Isn't it a bit like with the laities need for amusement in celebreties, for drama, for who is falling in love with whom. As found with Royals, Moviestars and Popmusicians?

I don't think it's anyones business. To argue he might have broken his precepts befor disrobing, with argueing the woman might be the villain... none of our business and everyone should think much more about ones own conduct. He disrobed, he married her. End of story.

May they be well.
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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby hermitwin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:40 pm

As a monk, you enter into a contract with the
people who support you.
A monk is a teacher, a role model and an inspirational figure.
To say that a monk who disrobes and marries the woman he loves
is just a career change or he does not owe an explanation to
his supporters means that you do not understand the role
a monk plays in his community and the unique nature of
the relationship between a monk and his followers.
Quite different from Anne Heche declaring she was gay
and then not gay, and went on to marry a man.

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby purple planet » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:53 pm

I think a monk should act like a monk when his a monk and he can leave that whenever he likes - but someone like him who is a well known monk who thought the dhamma - it does seem a bit not ok

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:07 am

Why he disrobed is none of our damned business.

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby Sekha » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:43 am

If people think that monks they donate to should be accountable to them for what they do, they have not understood what generosity means in the teaching of the Buddha.
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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby Sekha » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:51 pm

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby robertk » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:19 pm

perfect quote

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby Sokehi » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:30 pm

Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby Sekha » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:28 pm

I meant the fact that he disrobed to marry someone speaks by itself. There is no need for any explanation. And no one should ask for any, because either it reveals an attachment to the outcome of generosity, and an inferior motivation thereof, or it is involvement in what is none of our business.
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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

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Re: Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leave the Buddhist monkhood?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:58 am

It is none of our business why this man disrobed, and our opinions and speculations in this matter are inappropriate. This thread is ended.


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