Dan74 wrote:So I am not passing judgment on these monks, just wondering if this accords with the Vinaya.
reflection wrote:Theravada is not one big group of people that all act the same. It is cluttered up and the boundaries are unclear. Some monks/nuns live a very renunciate life somewhere hidden in the forests, with only a bowl and robes. Others live a more westernized life, use money, things like that. But to me Buddhism, whether Theravada or Mahayana, is about looking at our own actions, our own thought patterns. It is not really about judging others. So what Buddhism is, is only what you make it. It doesn't really exist outside of you. Don't look for the Buddha outside of you, that kind of idea.
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:The point is that wealthy donors can offer luxurious gifts to monks or the Saṅgha if they wish. If a wealthy business person or film-star wanted to invite a monk to give a blessing, would they buy them an economy class ticket or a business class ticket? If they themselves usually travel business class, to buy an economy class ticket might be regarded as mean.
arijitmitter wrote:Buddhism is not about judging others but it is certainly about judging monks flying business class. Theravada's [unique selling point] is simple living, high thinking.
arijitmitter wrote:I am not judging Theravada by the actions of these monks just like one does not judge Catholic Church by actions of pedophile priests.
arijitmitter wrote:And I think if I was a Theravadan monk and a rich devotee invited me, I will have specified that he send me an economy class ticket and ask he send an ordinary sedan to pick me up and also ask the driver not to turn on the AC. If I am not going to do that then why on earth am I a monk. It is a lame excuse to say he gifted me riches and so I took it.
arijitmitter wrote:Further it breaks the 8th precept to travel in business class where seats van be converted into beds.
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:If you misjudge others, then that is your unwholesome kamma.
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:So now you're comparing these senior monks to pedophiles
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:It doesn't. Monks can use seats that are provided by householders. Haven't you ever seen monks preaching from high, gilt covered, Dhamma preaching thrones?
arijitmitter wrote:Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:It doesn't. Monks can use seats that are provided by householders. Haven't you ever seen monks preaching from high, gilt covered, Dhamma preaching thrones?
No. Monks at my monastery sit on the floor. And so do all the monks I have seen on YouTube. And yes appearances matter. Will one respect a monk if he does not live like a monk.
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:Here is a Typical Preaching Throne. It may be high and covered in gold leaf, but it's far from comfortable to sit on.
By the way, Taung Pulu Sayādaw, one of the most revered dhutanga monks of Burma followed the Sitters practice for 13 years, but even he used a comfortable reclining seat
Theravada is what it is. Must it be 'simpler' or more 'complicated' according to what one fancies?Is Theravada not supposed to be simpler ?
And exactly what is 'Buddhist' suppose to look like?This does not look very Buddhist !!
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:You're not a monk, and you do not know the monks' training very well at all.The purpose of the monks' training is to remove attachment, and that includes removing attachment to views and opinions.
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