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Awareness in the Theravāda

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Awareness in the Theravāda

Postby BlindJoeDeath » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:44 pm

Dear Dhamma Wheel,

I was listening to some Dhamma talks by Ajahn Sumedho earlier today, and this being my first time listening to him I must say I was a little surprised. In both talks I listened to, he emphasized consciousness (or awareness, as he used the two interchangeably) as being unitive and timeless. Now, I've come across this type of language in other traditions, but up until now not in the Theravada.

Is this considered a normal teaching within the Theravadin tradition? If it is not, what do you think of Venerable Sumedho's statements?

Thanks for reading, I've really appreciated the insight you all provide on here.

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Re: Awareness in the Theravāda

Postby reflection » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:30 pm

Hi,

I don't think there is one such thing as "the Theravada". Different teachers have different views and share them in different ways. So I think it is best for us to take the views of each teacher as only the views of that teacher. It's up to us to distill what teachings we think are right and are fitting to us. This can be done by insight, intuition and comparing the teacher's word against the suttas. :anjali:

That having said, personally I can't rhyme some things I heard venerable Sumedho say in his talks, with how I understand and feel about Buddhism. Some of his words on consciousness/awareness are included in that.

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Re: Awareness in the Theravāda

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:59 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Awareness in the Theravāda

Postby BlindJoeDeath » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:47 pm

Reflection,

Thanks for your response. I only wrote "the Theravada" because it is used in the header of this forum, but your point about individual teachers is a very good one.

Retro,

I know what the Pali Canon has to say, and that is exactly why I find Sumedho's words confusing.

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Re: Awareness in the Theravāda

Postby kirk5a » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:23 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby robertk » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:34 pm

i dont know about what was exactly taught but for what its worth awareness, citta, perception, et al all arise and pass away completely instantly.
only nibbana -among ultimate realities- does not arise and so does not cease.

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Re: Awareness in the Theravāda

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Like this talk?
"Don't believe everything you read."
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Re: Awareness in the Theravāda

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"Delighting in existence, O monks, are gods and men; they are attached to existence, they revel in existence. When the Dhamma for the cessation of existence is being preached to them, their minds do not leap towards it, do not get pleased with it, do not get settled in it, do not find confidence in it. That is how, monks, some lag behind."
- It. p 43

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"Delighting in existence, O monks, are gods and men; they are attached to existence, they revel in existence. When the Dhamma for the cessation of existence is being preached to them, their minds do not leap towards it, do not get pleased with it, do not get settled in it, do not find confidence in it. That is how, monks, some lag behind."
- It. p 43

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