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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

Postby clw_uk » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:03 pm

Essentially, from what i understand, the Buddha thought it wouldnt last a long because of the vunerable state women were in at the time



As for the prediction we will never really know what was said, i see the time of 500 years as added later. To me he would have just said that it wouldnt last as long, of course just my thoughts cant really prove either way



I dont think the words have any real meaning now though since Buddhism has spread to far and wide and the modern world is now a better place for women (mostly). In effect i find it redundant


The prediction of his that i do agree with is that the teaching disappears when there are no more monks or nuns or laymen/women (paraphrased from a sutta)

Of course this is obvious as to why
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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

Postby Dhammakid » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:16 pm

If you all don't mind me asking: is there any indication of what exactly the Buddha thought would happen to the pure Dhamma if women were ordained? Did he believe sexist political efforts would intentionally change the Dhamma in a manner oppressive to women, therefore staining the pure Dhamma? Something like that?

I don't think the words have any real meaning, either, per se. However, there are still Buddhist countries who refuse to ordain women. It seems the Buddha's words have been interpreted so many ways. In that sense, there is still some meaning to them today.

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Thanks Peter.

I hope to one day be able to divine the clue.

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:12 pm

The Buddha knew that he would not be around forever, which is why he stated:

After I am gone, the sangha — if it wants — may abolish the lesser and minor training rules.”
Digha Nikaya 16

The Buddha did not have to be alive as he states "after I am gone." Now I realize that no one could agree on which rules are no longer necessary, but the Vinaya shows that rules were added and changed as necessary and the Buddha did allow changes even after he is gone. If the Sangha can agree or not, that is another issue.
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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:16 am

I do not see a need to resurrect the debate as to whether the nuns rules can be changed. People more knowledgeable than you or I have attempted to settle this issue and have not succeeded. Let us suffice to say you are of the opinion that the rules can and should be changed and I am of the opinion that there is no clear evidence the rules can be changed nor need to be changed and let's leave it at that.
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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

Postby Ordinaryperson » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:50 am


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Re: Buddhist Eschatology

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:57 am

An interesting theory. However, the monks had to go into town almost daily to get food so they would still have regular contact with the opposite sex even if there weren't nuns.
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