Dhammakid wrote:1) Does the 8th precept include the use of antiperspirant/deodorant?
2) Any advice you can give on eating only one meal per day?
3) I'm assuming the 7th precept includes watching television and motion pictures.
Any other advice you can give is greatly appreciated.
TheDhamma wrote:Hi Dhammakid,
First of all, congratulations on deciding to get very serious and coming back to Theravada. Your journey sounds similar to mine. I started with Theravada over 25 years ago, then experimented with Zen and Vajrayana, and then later realized Theravada was best for me.
TheDhamma wrote:1. Deodorants can be unscented. The issue is to not adorn or beautify the body.
TD wrote:2. I have been following the One meal a day program (lunch) for some time now and feel much healthier and fit, sleep better too.
TD wrote:3. Most would say movies are out unless it is a non-fiction documentary and the same with tv, unless it is documentaries or the news. But I know several that do watch shows and movies, although not all monks have perfect Vinaya, so not always best to just go by what you see being done.
TD wrote:I recommend doing as much / many of the 8 precepts as you can and not to 'beat yourself up over it' if you don't do all 8 all the time on all days. Until of course you decide to become a monk and ordain, then all 10 - 227 need to be kept.
Dhammakid wrote:Cool. I'm assuming that also means shampoo is okay?
Dhammakid wrote:So you eat quite a bit during that one meal, huh?
Dhammakid wrote:I'm guessing it's just a matter of doing what feels most right and asking a teacher whenever I get the chance. What would you recommend?
Dhammakid wrote:1) Does the 8th precept include the use of antiperspirant/deodorant and shampoo?
There's a good chance I'll be shaving my head soon (more for health reasons than practice), but in case I don't, I need to know whether shampoo is included in the 8th precept.
2) Any advice you can give on eating one meal per day?
3) I'm assuming the 7th precept includes watching television and movies.
TheDhamma wrote: Have you seen some of my pictures? I live about half of the time in Las Vegas and sometimes I get a little chubby. There are so many great buffets in Vegas. I eat one large meal for lunch. Sometimes it can be too large, but most of the time, I do about 1500 to 2000 calories and then with exercise, it keeps the weight at a normal level.
Dhammakid wrote:TheDhamma wrote:
Ahh, very cool. Where can I view your pics? That should give me a good idea of how much food I should expect to eat. When you first started doing this, did you have a hard time consuming so much food in one sitting? How did you adjust?
Peter wrote:The question to ask yourself is: Are these products for keeping healthy or for keeping pretty? Keeping reasonably clean is certainly part of keeping healthy, but I think that can be taken to unwholesome extremes. Long luxurious baths more than once a day... keeping clean or indulging sensual pleasure? You need to look at your own mind to tell.
Peter wrote:For what it's worth, I've seen shampoo at monasteries.
Peter wrote:Keep in mind your activity level as a layperson might well be significantly more than the average monk, meaning it just might not be practical for you to keep tpo one meal a day as a layperson. Again, you need to make this determination for yourself.
Peter wrote:Yes, usually. Again, you need to look at your own mind. Are you watching a particular tv show to learn something important or for entertainment? Even a documentary on a serious topic can be entertainment.
TheDhamma wrote:Here is a link to a photo here in this forum:
That is about the largest I have been. But fortunately, I am back to normal now.
At first I wasn't eating enough at the one meal and I would get too hungry later and then sometimes break that with snacks or a meal in the evening. But gradually I learned to eat more at the one sitting and then I don't get too hungry later and most of the time the weight has stayed off.
Dhammakid wrote:Haha, I never would have guessed someone could get so plump on just one meal per day. That should help put my family and friends at ease if they ask about it.
Dhammakid wrote:So you probably eat at buffets everyday, huh? Seems the most economical choice if you want to eat so much in one meal. What's your exercise routine like?
adosa wrote:Maybe I'm wrong here but I recollect that the precept on eating is for at the "right time" (after sunrise and before noon) and not specific to only one meal.
Dhammakid wrote:What's your exercise routine like?
TheDhamma wrote:adosa wrote:Maybe I'm wrong here but I recollect that the precept on eating is for at the "right time" (after sunrise and before noon) and not specific to only one meal.
Correct! But there are also several places in the Suttas where the Buddha refers to himself and his monks as the "One mealers" meaning eating all of their food before noon in one meal. To be in compliance with the Vinaya, I think you are right, technically a monk (or lay person practicing the 8) could eat breakfast and lunch, but many just wait for the one big meal at lunch, like I do.
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