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Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby Perry » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:59 pm

Okay so I'm in a right kerfuffle right now!

I've had one of those spiders that just sit in the corners of ceilings in my room for weeks now, and its never done anything before really, but just now I've had a smaller spider strolling around my room.

This lazy spider I've had for a while has just come out from its corner and promptly spun the other spider in its web, and appears to be eating it.

I'm stuck with what to do! Do I interfere with nature and help the spider, making the other spider lose its meal, or do I let nature take its course, condemning the little spider to death?

Stupid I know, but I'm stuck here!

Thanks.

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Postby Perry » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:15 am

Well, I've discovered that the attacking spider is the cellar spider, one of the few spiders that DO willingly eat other spiders, and that it kills its prey with one deadly bite, so I'd assume that the damage has been done by now, especially as the cellar spider has now returned to his corner with the tangled up smaller spider hanging underneath him.

Nonetheless, I think this is an interesting question for future reference...

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Re: Semi-emergency - Advice needed

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:24 am

Greetings,

I doubt there's a strict Theravada position on matters like this.

My recommendation would be to do what you think is best, whilst still adhering to the first precept.

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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby Ben » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:49 am

Hi pmw
The time to have acted would have been before the two spiders met. In future you may wish to capture any spiders entering your room and re-release them outside somewhere.
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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby Prasadachitta » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:11 am

If you feel like acting out of kindness then do it. Kindness is fertile ground for further arising of kindness. If you are confused about what action to take, I would say that it is not such a good idea to act out of confusion. If you regret not taking action then make a note to remember the lesson learned. In other words pay attention to the state of your mind. The degree to which you act out of greed hatred and confusion directly influences the degree to which you and others will suffer. Overly fussing over what is a more correct action is just a way to stay distracted from the real work involved in cultivating a more pure mind.

I believe this to be be in line with how the Buddha taught.

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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby cooran » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:27 am

Hello all,

We have Huntsman spiders about the house and yard:
http://brokenbay.files.wordpress.com/20 ... spider.jpg

I recall one Christmas Dinner - complete with roast everything, puddings, and wine, plus a long white linen tablecloth - that one huntsman spider dropped onto the lap of one of the guests. In the general hub-bub which followed, the poor spider died of fright.

They are harmless to humans. If you get bitten - a cold pack fixes it.

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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby cooran » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:36 am

Hello Tilt,

Especially for you:
"Come To Australia" by Scared Weird Little Guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I

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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby appicchato » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:17 am

When in Oz watch out for this guy...the funnel web spider...two hours from hit to ice (you being on it)...so I'm told...

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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby cooran » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:29 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby PeterB » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:47 pm

Hi there pmwhewitt. I see that you live in Stevenage, you dont need to worry about spider bites in the Uk. No British spider is able to pierce human skin . Now if you see a big boy, or more likely girl , crawling out of a bunch of bananas and looking a bit dazed and chilly it might be best avoided..

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Re: Advice needed: spider vs spider

Postby Dhammakid » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:57 pm

Hello all,
I really don't see this as the existential conundrum it's been made out to be :tongue:

Many animals eat their own kind. Some sharks will eat their babies (so I'm told on Discovery Channel's recent "Shark Week" series, haha), and of course spiders and other creepy crawlers do the same.

Let the spiders live out their karma and let nature take its course. No need to intervene. The insect/arachnid lifespan is pretty short anyway. Say a prayer or paritta for them so they might obtain a higher rebirth.

Of course, just because we're a part of nature doesn't make it right for us to go around eating each other. Unless it's the zombie apocalypse, then it's perfectly alright :tongue:

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