What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

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What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby Dr. Dukkha » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:33 am

I've begun to build my own understanding of kamma. When someone does a good or bad deed, that deed is given a number of intensity or severity to the decimal which makes a specific shape and that shape is made of the trail that the road to enlightenment is made of. That deed slides across the road and passes opportunities on the road that it can fill up a spot that a reward or punishment can be acquired. But when the shape reaches the exact slot where it fits, the kamma slides in and takes action. So I came up with the idea that kamma doesn't hit us at random times, it has it's place to fit in; a specific time for everything.
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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:14 am

Greetings,

I think it's baseless, unprofitable speculation.

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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby Kusala » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:52 am

Dr. Dukkha wrote:I've begun to build my own understanding of kamma. When someone does a good or bad deed, that deed is given a number of intensity or severity to the decimal which makes a specific shape and that shape is made of the trail that the road to enlightenment is made of. That deed slides across the road and passes opportunities on the road that it can fill up a spot that a reward or punishment can be acquired. But when the shape reaches the exact slot where it fits, the kamma slides in and takes action. So I came up with the idea that kamma doesn't hit us at random times, it has it's place to fit in; a specific time for everything.


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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby reflection » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:12 am

What are you building your understanding upon? Our understanding of kamma should not come though intellectually trying to grasp it, because we will not be able to see it that way. You end up in mechanical ways of thinking as the example you are describing. Kamma doesn't work that way, it's not really about specific causes ending up in specific results. So instead it's better to look at things internally through meditation. Then with a clear mind devoid of thoughts, processes may become clearer.

(kamma being an unconjecturable speaks about the kammavipaka, the results of kamma. In other words, what specific results will arise from a certain action/kamma, not about kamma as a whole or what general results arise from certain things.)

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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby arijitmitter » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:55 am

It is not knowable how Kamma works. Endless speculation can happen about it but those will always be conjecture.

What you proposed is called "Russell's Teapot" argument. You offer no proof and expect the burden of proof to lie with the nonbeliever. It is like those who say there is a God and then offer no proof. What if, (Bertrand Russell said) I argue there is a teapot orbiting the Sun between Earth and Mars. Can you say you disbelieve me ? If so on what grounds ? Can you prove there is no teapot between Earth and Mars ?
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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby Aloka » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:06 am

I highly recommend listening to this talk about kamma given by Ajahn Amaro at Amaravati monastery :

"Who is pulling the Strings?"

http://www.amaravati.org/teachings/audio_compilation/2083

- the link to the talk is under a question and answer session with the same title.


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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby Digity » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:37 pm

I think theorizing about karma like this is pointless. Just focus on the fact that it has to do with your intentions and make sure you cultivate right intention. It's that simple.

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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:51 pm

Speculating about kamma, and trying to understand how it works by studying the Buddha's teaching about kamma are entirely different things.

To follow the teachings — Abstain from all evil, cultivate wholesomeness, and purify the mind — we need to know what kind of kamma is evil, what is wholesome, and how to purify the mind from unwholesome mental kamma.

To understand what kind of kamma leads towards nibbāna, what kind leads to heavenly rebirth, and what kind leads to the lower realms is vital. So, although speculating about specific cause and results is beyond our ability, understanding how kamma works is important — it will encourage us to abstain from evil, to cultivate wholesome deeds, and learn how to practice for the cessation of kammic activities.
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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby SarathW » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:06 am

I agree with Ven Pesala,
Kamma is one of the unthinkable. It is easier to use the electricity rather than trying to understand what electricity is!
However I spent lots of time on this subject before I came to previous conclusion.

I like to ask stupid questions rather than doing stupid mistakes! :)

So I encourage forum members to debate this and understand it.
The best writing I found in this subject is from the following book by Ven P.A.Pautto

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http://www.buddhanet.net/cmdsg/kamma.htm#Contents

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Re: What do you guys think about my understanding of kamma?

Postby nem » Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:50 am

From my meditation and sutta study, all I learned that was there is nothing to gain. If I seek to improve kamma, or attain nibanna..it would just be emptiness.
But also, I know, I came to the dhamma, because of being involved with a person, who burned me with the fires of infinite lifetimes in hells, to use me to get to her personal goals.Sort of like, a woman who is 'holocaustic' toward getting what she wanted no matter what is the collateral damage or how many people were made to suffer for her wishes. So even now religiously, I have aversion when it comes to anyone wanting to get anything..even myself with the idea of trying to attain Nibbana..it seems like a sickness, that anyone would want to gain anything from the dhamma. I know..it's AVERSION that I have. :)

Like Ajahn Sumedho said...let's not take it personally...Sakkāya-ditthi. I am full of that! But you don't have to be! :) Some say, just watch the breath, enjoy the opportunity to be breathing, and forget about esoteric things like kamma or nibbana.

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