There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Sekha » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:11 pm

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby SarathW » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:50 pm

Cow Dhamma

The following link give some insight into this OP

http://www.aimwell.org/cows.html
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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby SarathW » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:33 am

The only country in the world that has a Bill of Rights for Cows is India!!
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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby mahat » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Industrialization of agriculture is probably the worst thing to happen to humanity and livestock. These livestock are treated as "things" and not living, breathing beings who suffer. All the meat, milk is tainted due to the torture and fear these animals face everyday. Not only is it unethical, the fear and pain of the animals obviously affect the food products.

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby cooran » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:31 am

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby robertk » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:30 am

that is most surprising

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Digity » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:54 am

If being a non-vegan is unethical then why didn't the Buddha say you must be a vegan? Even back in the Buddha's day animals had to be slaughtered. It wasn't as bad back then, but it's still gruesome to kill an animal.

I would like to buy milk from cows that have been treated ethically, but supermarkets don't really make it easy to do so. They just give you a handful of options.

You can't guilt the universe into not wanting eggs and milk, etc. These are such staple items. What we need to do is change the practices at these factories. If you think billions of people will give up these food items tomorrow and then all the egg and milk factories will shutdown then you're dreaming. More companies that threat animals ethically need to pop up and when people start spending there money there maybe the other companies will wake up. For instance, a lot of US companies have stopped using bovine growth hormones, because people started buying organic milk which didn't use hormones. The companies got the message and stopped using it, because it effected their bottom line.

That's the only way to change their attitude. Companies think in terms of profit, profit and more profit. It's f'ed up, I get it! However, it's not going to change anytime soon. It's greed. We know how hard it is to uproot these things, right? I mean, we are Buddhist, we should have a sense of it. Either these guys will come around and learn to give up greed and want to treat all their animals more ethically or the demand for ethically treated animals will grow strong enough that the companies will have no choice, but too clean up their act. I'm not sure how realistic that it, but I do notice that interest in organic food growing....so it seems like people are getting more and more conscientious about what they put in their mouths.

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Mkoll » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:45 pm

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:33 pm

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby cooran » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:20 pm

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:59 pm

To be fair, I think you need to give figures per head of the human population.

USA = 33,205,000 cattle slaughtered in 2013 (pop 317,128,000)
India = 37,825,000 cattle slaughtered in 2013 (pop 1,236,840,000)
Brazil = 41,060,000 cattle slaughtered in 2013 (pop 201,032,714)

I think that shows it in a fairer perspective.
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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Mkoll » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:18 pm

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:08 pm

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby mahat » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:16 pm

As someone belonging to an Indian farmer's family, we only milked cows AFTER their baby calves were completely fed. Only then would we take the milk for ourselves. This was the ethos of most Indians before we came to the US…modern India is a whole different animal...

Milk from happy and loved cows are like ambrosia…it is so naturally sweet and nurturing…I have been fortunate to have tasted this milk... :twothumbsup: I still have some farmland back there and I hope someday I can make use of it.

If you grow a being from birth, they are like your family. To kill the animal is a breach of trust. I don't consider such people to be real farmers, if the very animals you raised can't trust you, how can I? There's no such thing as, "I bought these animals for slaughter"…

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Digity » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:40 am

I plan to switch to Organic Meadows milk. According to their FAQ the animals are treated ethically. Also, the milk actually tastes a lot better than regular milk. What are thoughts on organic milk? Seems like a good answer to the ethical question of drinking milk.

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:53 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

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Re: There's blood in your milk. The ethics of consumption

Postby Sokehi » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:18 pm

I lived vegan for 5 years and maintained an extroardinary good health (regularly checked by my doctor). Not doing this anymore, but still avoiding milk wherever possible (added medicines, hormones etc. don't seem to be very tasty, healthy, appropriate) I mainly drink rice milk or soy milk from good environmentally aware sources. At least that's over here in germany possible.
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