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One meal a day... at night?

Postby jungblood » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:38 am

Howdy folks,

So as I understand it, Buddha said that the Vinaya should be adapted as different times and contexts required, right? I'm a lay practitioner, but I like to incorporate the Vinaya into my life in my own modest and imperfect way... one way I'm doing this is by sticking to one meal a day... Though most monasteries take this meal between sunrise and noon, I'm having my daily meal in the evening instead... this is because I exercise in the morning before work, so I need to get some fuel the night before (otherwise I might have gone without food for 17 or 18 hours, and be barely able to run to the end of the street... :shrug:

Has anyone else sought to adapt Buddha's dietary guidance in this way? I'd love to hear the experience of others...

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby fivebells » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:41 am

I know from experience that it's perfectly possible to run when you haven't eaten for 24 hours. I do it regularly. Have you experimented with that?

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby cooran » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:48 am

Hello jungblood,

My understanding is that The Vinaya contains the rules for ordained sangha members - unless you are a Bhikkhu, you can eat when you prefer.

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:50 am

Greetings Jungblood,

I used to do that at a time when I did not exercise. The reason I chose dinner time was because it was the one meal I would eat with my family during the week, whereas breakfast and lunch (and the decision whether to have them at all) were more personal decisions.

It worked well for me at the time, and I dropped from 85kg to 73kg at a rate of roughly 1.0 kg per week. Once I got to 73, I plateaud.

Now I'm actually physically active, I eat 2-3 meals a day, but always dinner. For a monk, once a day should be fine (especially given how much food they tend to get offered).

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby kmath » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:42 am

It's important to consider why monks only eat once a day. We're told it's so as to minimize strain on the lay people. If lay people are not supporting you, I don't see the rational for it.

Secondly, from a health standpoint, not eating after exercise can be counter-productive. Your body needs calories after a work-out otherwise it start breaking down muscle, which you don't want.

I'm speaking from experience here, I strongly advise you not to go down this road, especially at your age. You're still growing. You could end up with an eating disorder. People will disagree with me here but it's not a good idea.

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Postby Sokehi » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:22 pm

kmath wrote:It's important to consider why monks only eat once a day. We're told it's so as to minimize strain on the lay people. If lay people are not supporting you, I don't see the rational for it.

Secondly, from a health standpoint, not eating after exercise can be counter-productive. Your body needs calories after a work-out otherwise it start breaking down muscle, which you don't want.

I'm speaking from experience here, I strongly advise you not to go down this road, especially at your age. You're still growing. You could end up with an eating disorder. People will disagree with me here but it's not a good idea.

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very good posting.

At least you should prepare a (green) smoothie in the morning. I do so, drinking two liters of fruits, spinach with added soy milk from the morning to midday. Then in the afternoon you can have your one meal.

But still: the buddha developed this particular rule to minimize strain on the lay people. There is absolutely no point with regards to the buddhas teaching for you to do this unless you are a monastic.

Be nice to yourself.

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby Zom » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:16 pm

For a long time I practise moderation in food this way: I eat once a day after ~5 hours after waking up. No matter when I wake up - at 6 am, at 9 am or at 1 pm ). This works perfect for me.

PS: Yes, I do agree that this practice should be undertaken with care and only when you are ready for it - that is - when you really feel comfortable with such schedule. Forceful suppression is not a way.

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby jungblood » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:23 am

Thanks everyone for your input... some real food for thought (no pun intended).. I wasn't aware that the Vinaya guidelines on meals were intended to ease strain on lay supporters... in my case food is central sense pleasure fixation - though I'm lucky that I dont put on weight, I'm conscious that I eat for pleasure in a way that is not helpful in my spiritual practise, so I want to put some healthy discipline on the issue... I'm thinking I'll go for one small 'recovery' protein and vitamin meal after exercise, and my main meal late afternoon - that's what's best for my body.... :thanks:
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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:40 am

Wisely reflecting, I use this food not for fun, not for pleasure, not for fattening, not for beautification, but only for the maintenance and nourishment of this body, for keeping it healthy, for helping with the Spiritual Life; Thinking thus, I will allay hunger without overeating, so that I may continue to live blamelessly and at ease.

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:17 am

:goodpost:

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby denise » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:59 pm

your body will show you and tell you what's going on with what you eat and drink.... :popcorn:
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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby Nicolas » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:15 pm

kmath wrote:It's important to consider why monks only eat once a day. We're told it's so as to minimize strain on the lay people. If lay people are not supporting you, I don't see the rational for it.


Not only:
Kitagiri Sutta (MN 70) wrote:I abstain from the night-time meal. As I am abstaining from the night-time meal, I sense next-to-no illness, next-to-no affliction, lightness, strength, & a comfortable abiding. Come now. You too abstain from the night-time meal. As you are abstaining from the night-time meal, you, too, will sense next-to-no illness, next-to-no affliction, lightness, strength, & a comfortable abiding.

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby VVVK » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:48 pm

Please be careful with this sudden move changing food habbits in your life.

This eating pattern is for Bhikkus as I know because their life harmonizes with this type of eating habits. You need lot of training and discipline developed over a long period. This is why Bhikkus are ordained very young, sometimes 7 years of age. The human body is amazing and it will over the time will adjust.

Without this, suddenly switching to once a day eating habit could lead to troubles.

Today, it is a known factor that you are waving to diabetes if you delay or skip your breakfast. Long hours without food is leading to gastritis. So be careful.. eventually we need to be healthy for everything, according to Lord Buddha himself ‘health is wealth’.. Good luck!

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:23 pm

I think you also have to look at the lifestyle that the eating is supporting. I have no problem switching to the Bhikkhu routine of two meals a day (breakfast and lunch) when on retreat. I generally have some fruit juice or similar in the afternoon/evening, so it's not as if my stomach gets really empty at any point.

However, that's on a retreat, where the day is spent doing walking and sitting meditation, not a normal working schedule. There's a big difference there in the demands on the body.

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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby SarathW » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:12 pm

Nicolas wrote:
kmath wrote:It's important to consider why monks only eat once a day. We're told it's so as to minimize strain on the lay people. If lay people are not supporting you, I don't see the rational for it.


Not only:
Kitagiri Sutta (MN 70) wrote:I abstain from the night-time meal. As I am abstaining from the night-time meal, I sense next-to-no illness, next-to-no affliction, lightness, strength, & a comfortable abiding. Come now. You too abstain from the night-time meal. As you are abstaining from the night-time meal, you, too, will sense next-to-no illness, next-to-no affliction, lightness, strength, & a comfortable abiding.


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Re: One meal a day... at night?

Postby Anagarika » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:08 am

My two cents. I have accepted the training rule to avoid eating after midday. I've found that with morning activity, it is good to have some food early in the day ( 6 am) and then the main meal at midday. For midday, I try to eat at or before 11am, as the solar noon varies through the year and in my region it is at around 1130 am this time of year. As it is a training rule, I try not to be neurotic about the timing, but if I'm close to 11 or 1130 am, I am at midday for most all of the solar sun calendar.

For me, it took some time to get my body accustomed to not eating in the evening, but for the limited permitted items. Once my body adjusted (and it helped to be in a wat for some time and going on almsrounds in the morning), in a non-wat environment the morning grains and later main meal works well. I prefer not sleeping on a full stomach, and when I have a sense of hunger at night, I am mindful of the role of food as to provide fuel for the functioning of the body, as well as mindful that there are many that go to sleep at night who have not eaten all day.

I hope to be fulltime in a Thai wat in later years, so being on this schedule of eating before midday makes sense as a training rule.

For a layperson, if eating one meal in the evening cultivated mindfulness of the limited role of food, and mindfulness of others' lack of food, and just a general renunciate sensibility, it seems like a very good idea.


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