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Q: Monks & Bank Accounts

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
Piers72
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Q: Monks & Bank Accounts

Postby Piers72 » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:33 pm

Perhaps a few members of the Sangha can comment here or give advice/corrections to the following:

1) Can't remember who told me (could have been a monk himself a few years back when I stayed at Amaravati) that for someone considering joining the order, it's advisable that they don't shut down all avenues from their laylife for 5 years. I am presuming that this is because most monastics who disrobe do so in the first few years of mendicant life. (I don't know whether this is 5 years from higher ordination, or 5 years after starting the process in the West ie, 1 year Anagarika minimum, 1 year Samanera minimum).

2) This brings up another question about what the Western Sangha monks do in general about pensions or other assets or inheritance etc. that may come their way. If there's no bank account, how do they pass on these assets either to another relative or to a trust supporting any particular community?

3) On a more personal note. I am married (for 12 years) and considering my options. Slightly late in life perhaps for a Westerner, I don't know... I'm 41. I heard that in England they won't accept you into the order over the age of 45, or in WPN, Thailand after age 50.
But supposing I did ordain (with wife's approval) and kept my bank account (albeir empty and not in use) purely because I would wish her to receive the benefit of future state and private pensions. Is this allowed?
(By the way, I already gave her power of attorney a few years ago, because I was spending some time in Asia, and didn't want her to have any complications if I fell sick/injured etc about accessing any funds).

Thanks to anyone out there who can shed some light on this!
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Re: Q: Monks & Bank Accounts

Postby appicchato » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:56 pm

Unable to comment on matters in the Occident...in Thailand many monks (if not most) have bank accounts...also, in Thailand, excluding Western oriented temples (only two that I'm familiar with), the over fifty part doesn't apply...hope this helps a little...

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Re: Q: Monks & Bank Accounts

Postby melancholy » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:40 am

hi Piers72,

imo, renunciation is renunciation. you can't do it half, it will become a temporary ordination/renunciation. i remember reading a sutta where lord buddha said such ordination is weak, i think the name of the sutta is visakha sutta or uposatha sutta (anguttara 3.71) as it was delivered to lady visakha regarding the temporary ordination where the person don't renounce properly.

having said that, in these modern times people have different interpretations and ideas on dhamma :)
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Then the Blessed One said to Ven. Ananda, "Now, if it occurs to any of you — 'The teaching has lost its authority; we are without a Teacher' — do not view it in that way. Whatever Dhamma & Vinaya I have pointed out & formulated for you, that will be your Teacher when I am gone.

-Dīgha Nikāya 16, Mahāparinibbāna Sutta
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gO tO wORK, gET mARRIED, hAVE sOME kIDS;
wATCH yOUR tV, fOLLOW fASHION, aCT nORMAL;
pAY yOUR tAXES, pAY yOUR bILLS, oBEY tHE lAW;
aND rEPEAT aFTER mE: "i aM fREE."

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Re: Q: Monks & Bank Accounts

Postby manas » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:25 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Q: Monks & Bank Accounts

Postby melancholy » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:37 pm

Power can make things disappear, so does me :D

Then the Blessed One said to Ven. Ananda, "Now, if it occurs to any of you — 'The teaching has lost its authority; we are without a Teacher' — do not view it in that way. Whatever Dhamma & Vinaya I have pointed out & formulated for you, that will be your Teacher when I am gone.

-Dīgha Nikāya 16, Mahāparinibbāna Sutta
__________________________________

gO tO wORK, gET mARRIED, hAVE sOME kIDS;
wATCH yOUR tV, fOLLOW fASHION, aCT nORMAL;
pAY yOUR tAXES, pAY yOUR bILLS, oBEY tHE lAW;
aND rEPEAT aFTER mE: "i aM fREE."


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