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Tolerance versus hiding your head in the sand

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Tolerance versus hiding your head in the sand

Postby Prasadachitta » Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:57 am

Hi all,

I thought I would start this thread to address some things I was trying to discuss in the closed thread. There are some teachings within religious tradition which seem to me are clearly causing the world a great deal of strife.

1)Telling people they will burn in eternal hell fire for not engaging in certain rights and rituals.

2)Teaching people that the ethnicity one is born into can make you so impure that to even touch you brings evil and curses on you and your family

3)Teaching that acts of murderous aggression in the name of a creator god can bring you eternal happiness

I think there are many more but these three alone are prominent enough to have direct and detrimental influence on the daily lives of hundreds of millions if not billions of people.

I think if we pay attention with kindness we can not but feel that it is critically important to look for any effective opportunity to lessen peoples confidence in such beliefs. Is it really all that appropriate to simply say that such and such religion is just different than your own not better or worse when there are teachings which seem so obviously not in peoples best interest?

HMMMM?

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Re: Tolerance versus hiding your head in the sand

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:16 am

There is tollerance and then there is not trying to understand where the beliefs come from and how they are held and what can be done so that these beliefs don't inpact negatively on anyone.

as in all likelihood no-one who holds such beliefs will be members here how would discussing and speculating help?


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But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:53 am

Is there a "here we go again" smiley?

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:02 am

Greetings,

Simply put, tolerance means being tolerant of something. It doesn't necessarily mean liking it, or even accepting it... merely that you tolerate it, you put up with it, you endure it... you allow it to be. Tolerance is good practice... only when you're not wanting to change things are you content with how things are.

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Postby retrofuturist » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:44 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Ben » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:23 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Postby kannada » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:41 am

Just a view - nothing more...

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Postby tiltbillings » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:44 am

A Mawkish1983 smilie would be great. Eight year olds using smilies is a thing of goodness.


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Re: Tolerance versus hiding your head in the sand

Postby christopher::: » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:39 pm

LOL, i wonder how our communication might go if we were restricted only to the single original smiley...

:smile:

Concerning tolerance, isnt the essential distinction internal, not external? We do indeed need to speak up about racism, militarism, xenophobia, religious violence and all the other crazy things humans do...

But how are you feeling about that, how are you thinking about it? If you find yourself constantly spinning thoughts and emotions related to these crazy things, the dukkha of others, that dukkha now becomes your dukkha as well.

Wise compassionate action without attachment or aversion, while difficult, seems optimal.

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Postby Ben » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:28 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Ben » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:50 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby christopher::: » Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:39 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Postby Prasadachitta » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:35 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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