What does authenticity mean?

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What does authenticity mean?

Postby kmath » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:22 am

I recently heard someone say: "Authenticity means, essentially, ignoring the feelings of others" and behaving in a way that feels best for you. I'm kind of curious what people think of that statement. Does being "authentic" mean anything to you in your life? Or do you not really think about it?

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:10 am

Saying, or believing, that "Authenticity means, essentially, ignoring the feelings of others," could easily lead to some very unpleasant and unskillful behaviour.
If the word means anything in the context of how we live our lives it is really being true to ourselves or honest with ourselves and others. That shouldn't mean ignoring the feelings of others, especially if the 'self' we want to be true to is Buddhist.
Maybe 'being true to yourself' sometimes means changing the 'self' so that the right action is authentic.

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby BlackBird » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:50 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:27 am

Authenticity means (to me) neither ignoring the feelings of others nor of oneself, nor any other pertinent circumstance. These days I prefer 'awareness' and 'clarity'. When there are also insight and wisdom, then we have skillful action.
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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:50 am

Excellent post, Jack.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby boris » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:28 pm

The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:02 am

:goodpost: , Boris - thanks.
I had forgotten the roots of "authentic" behaviour in phenomenology, and never realised their connection to the dhamma.

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The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby dagon » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:40 pm

In my view authenticity means what is true to something. In the context of following the Dhamma the first requisite is inward honesty or being truthful with ourselves. The need to be truthful is a requirement to follow the N8FP but in following the path the depth and scope of our honesty can increases. I think that this is one of the major barriers that we face - but I maybe just outwardly projecting my own issues. :thinking:

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby Viscid » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:13 pm

Fantastic thread and quotes from Nanavira.

Does being fully authentic necessitate a particular ethic? Can we derive Buddhist ethics from the authentic mode of being?
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

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The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:44 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What does authenticity mean?

Postby BlackBird » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:52 am

Glad to see a fellow follower of Ven. Nyanavira's existentialist take on things Boris :)
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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