Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

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Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby binocular » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:34 pm

I am aware that this is a delicate topic, but it does come up for some people:


A particular Buddhist group can excommunicate, renounce or otherwise reject particular people.

But who has the power to kick a person out of Buddhism altogether?

Can someone who is a practicing Buddhist rightfully say to another "You're not fit to have anything to do with Buddhism. Leave and never come back, not even in the privacy of your own mind!" ?

And if not, how come there is so much discord among people who claim to be Buddhists?

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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby SDC » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:24 pm

What tilt said

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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby SamBodhi » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:40 pm

I also agree with what tilt said. I want to adamantly support the first statement, "No one, and no." Absolutely no on has this power and unless it is of one's own volition, you can't be "banned" from Buddhism altogether.
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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:53 pm

There is no central authority, so no one can expel buddhists from buddhism.

However, I think there is excomunication of troublesome monks. I remember the Buddha talking about killing someone "in this doctrine and discipline". He was talking about a monk who thought that a woman's touch was no different from a pillow's touch. The "killing" consists of stop talking to the troublesome monk. I think in this case that the monk changed his views and was welcomed back.

Off course, today only a subset of monks can excomunicate another monk. So it doesn't mean he is expelled from buddhism. He is excluded from that group alone.

I don't know the vinaya well, so this post is not very trustworthy.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby Mkoll » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:23 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:48 pm

Everyone is at their own 'stage' of development along the Path. Thank goodness we have no pope or centralized authority, no organizing body that can excommunicate or issue punishments for apostasy.
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Postby Kare » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:54 pm

Mettāya,
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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby cooran » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:57 pm

Well said, Kare! :smile:

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Re: Who can reject a person from Buddhism?

Postby robertk » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:51 pm

King Bhimbisara was a great supporter of the Dhamma, and was also a sotapanna. He was murdered by his son Ajatasattu.
Yet the Buddha bore no grudge and taught the new king Dhamma. Now Ajatasattu is honored by all Buddhists for his sterling work in support of the first council.

Devadata tried to murder the Buddha and did all sorts of evil, yet he will become a paccekabuddha in the distant future: certainly not rejected from Buddhism..

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