The Great Jhana Debate

Discussion of Samatha bhavana and Jhana bhavana.
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Re: The Great Jhana Debate

Postby Kumara » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:10 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
Kumara wrote:Also, the sutta doesn't speak of "factors". It provides descriptions of the 4 meditative states.


The factors are described here for example in MN43, the Mahavedalla Sutta.

Ya, I know about this one. In Anupada Sutta (MN111), we can see many more "factors". These seems to be the beginnings of the abhidhammika way of thought.

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Re: The Great Jhana Debate

Postby Spiny Norman » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:20 pm

Kumara wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:
Kumara wrote:Also, the sutta doesn't speak of "factors". It provides descriptions of the 4 meditative states.


The factors are described here for example in MN43, the Mahavedalla Sutta.

Ya, I know about this one. In Anupada Sutta (MN111), we can see many more "factors". These seems to be the beginnings of the abhidhammika way of thought.


I don't know about that, but the 5 factors seem to occur repeatedly in sutta descriptions of jhana, with the factors progressively "dropping off" as one goes from 1st to 4th jhana. And I think the relationship between these 5 factors and the 5 hindrances is significant. I've also noticed a correlation between the 5 factors and the 7 factors of enlightenment.
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