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Kasinas

Postby Individual » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:18 am

Is "kasinas" meditation literally envisioning a circle or disc of color, or it metaphorical, in the same way that the Pali translation might say the "sphere of logic" or "realm of logic" (not literally a sphere or realm).

If so, what is the significant reasoning behind viewing a circle or disc of color rather than an entire plane or field of view?
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Re: Kasinas

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:23 am

Greetings Individual,

I think it's just a basis for jhana, presumably one that existed prior to the Buddha's dispensation. I don't know if there's any great significance or reasoning behind any of it.

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Re: Kasinas

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:48 am

One of my teachers ( Theravada ) used to deploy Kasinas for people who were depressed and/or given to much discursive and speculative thought.

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Re: Kasinas

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:09 am

One question!
are they found in the suttas?

I have never seen them described in the sutttas although there are similare meditations I have read!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Kasinas

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:39 am

Hi Mike,
I suppose it would or may be similare to metta in a directional sense?
but wonder if there are any more?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Kasinas

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:22 am

Sorry Manapa, but I am unsure what you mean, any more what ?

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Re: Kasinas

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:44 am

Hi Manapa,

If you want more information I suggest you read the 70 or so pages of text in the Visuddhimagga about kasina meditation. Not to mention the 30 or so pages on the Brahmaviharas...
There is also a summary of a lot of this stuff in:
Knowing and Seeing
Ven. Pa-Auk Sayadaw
http://www.buddhistelibrary.org/cpg1420 ... =11&pos=23

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Re: Kasinas

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:34 am

The Bhikkhu I was referring to thought that they were particularly useful for people who were anxious, and so found even Anapanasati difficult because of the intial effect of raising awareness of the extent of the anxiety.

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Re: Kasinas

Postby PeterB » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:44 am

Wow thats clever.(the kasina.org material ) I haven't read the text in detail, but the idea of a web resource is very good.
Thank you for posting Dmytro.

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Re: Kasinas

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Re: Kasinas

Postby Individual » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:02 pm

You've all been very helpful!
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Re: Kasinas

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:28 pm

Hi Dmytro
Thanks


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Kasinas

Postby Thanavuddho » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:11 pm

“Tasmātihānanda, attadīpā viharatha attasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā, dhammadīpā dhammasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā.”(DN16)
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Re: Kasinas

Postby Aloka » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:41 pm

Seems likely that some methods used in Color Therapy - eg focusing on and/or visualising colored discs may have originated with the Kasinas.

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