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Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Sanjay PS » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:16 am

:anjali:[/quote]

Emptiness , hollowness , yes ; is that what all the Buddhas point out to , guiding us find the same within ourselves .Hence , what you said is true , but to understand , realize and dip in this truth , all the Buddhas stress the nature of change of sensations as the important point , in order to break the shackles of clinging to a self . Will post this subject as a new topic .

Sensation is not a concept, it is experienced here and now . Say for example if one has got mildly angry , or hatred arises , one can feel heat and tautness , surging through the body . The ears get heated up , the breath becomes hot , it is the truth , for buddhist , and for non-buddhist alike . What is there to say it is a concept . Its just but a change of cause and effect , like when 2 parts of hydrogen is added to 1 part of oxygen , the resultant combination gives rises to water . Similarly , when this happens in the mind , that happens as the sensation . Nothing buddhist ,or abstract about it . Universal truth , for one and all to practice and put to good use in daily life :smile:

sanjay[/quote]


I was not really seeking to engage with a lengthy commentary on my first post mentioning body fluids, which is why I said "I find it easier if I remember to just let go of concepts altogether."

In general, I don't think of my practice in terms of "all the Buddhas" because that is a Mahayana/Vajrayana concept.

Anyway, I have nothing more to say in this thread, so moving on now.....

Have a lovely day. :)[/quote]

What is Mahayana, what is Vajrayana , what is Theravada , what is Buddhism , i have no idea :smile: So if its just one Buddha or countless Buddhas , doesn't matter , what matters is brutal honesty giving rise to Sila , Samadhi and Panna , which answers all our doubts , of which i have many :smile: . As we keep steadfastly walking on this so very universal path of knowledge, the differences are bound to disappear . Dhamma can not be cloistered by subscribing oneself to such and such a view . Misery is universal , the way out is also naturally very universal .

Thank you for your wishes , wishing you too a very very bright and resplendent day ahead.

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Dan74 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:39 am

Sanjay, I appreciate your perspective and tone, thank you. :anjali:

On the other hand, we are in this world and pretty much everything we do is of no inherent value or importance. It is empty rather than absolute and it's meaning comes from what we and others give it. So how do we pick and choose in this relative world?

Can a realized person enjoy a slice of chocolate cake when offered one? Can a realized person enjoy a moment of physical intimacy with one he/she loves when the right moment arises? To me, the Dhamma ultimately is above the purity/impurity dichotomy when phenomena are apprehended as they are and being relative beings with physical bodies it may be quite the right thing to do, even in the complete absence of craving. That said, I am not talking about my experience here. I still get craving for the physical pleasure though nowhere near as strong as before. Not sure whether it's age or Dharma practice.

I may be wrong, of course.
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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Sanjay PS » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:41 am

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Sanjay PS » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:49 pm

Everything in this world is sensations Tilt .Even sensational news or sensational events get the maximum attention :smile:

Whether we like it or not , accept this truth or not , it does not matter . That is why the Buddha said , we don't love anyone or anything , it is just the sensations that keeps fooling us to believe the contrary .

If one misses sensations , one misses everything. Ben , the ex-moderator of this forum may agree to this truth of life .

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Sanjay PS » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:32 pm

No doubt Aloka , that wisdom is to see things in different ways :smile:

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Babadhari » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:40 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby Viscid » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:29 pm

It's a response we should expect from a celibate monk. If you've been celibate that long, you had to cultivate a strong dispassion (and/or disgust) toward sex, and any suggestion that sex provided a valuable mystical experience would be regarded as foolish.

The value of any mystical experience, sexual or otherwise, should be judged by its subsequent impact on the individual who had it. Does it make a person more wise, more insightful, or more capable of controlling greed, hatred and delusion? If some mystical sexual experience does make one more trusting and loving towards their partner, then it most certainly has value. However, if the mystical experience does not impart change upon the individual, then it should be regarded to be as vacuous as any sensual pleasure.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Intimacy and all that we perceive it as

Postby binocular » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:15 pm

Perhaps once all these men, monks and lays, take birth in female bodies, maybe then they'll see things differently ...


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