What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

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What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby SamKR » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:03 am

Hello everyone,

As a Buddhist, or even if you are not a Buddhist, what do you think of ?
Do you think the level of "no-self" or "not-self" realization is same as or similar to that of a sotapanna?
Even if it's not of the same level, what's wrong with having not-self realization with their approach?
Personally, I have no objection if that helps for such a realization.

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:21 am

Hmmm....
I think I'll stick to Buddhadhamma, thank you!
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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Dan74 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:04 am

Firstly, I think it could only work if you are already on the brink of realizing no self. Mostly it would just cause confusion and/or self-deception.
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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:05 am

Hi Sameer,

This isn't particularly new. I am yet to be convinced that proponents of these groups produce a real attainment.
Some of my less edifying observations include witnessing an argument between a self-professed arahant and a self-professed sotapanna. And the disciples of one extremely obnoxious but charismatic 'enlightened' teacher to go forth and promote to the point of spamming each and every online forum they could find - in a bid to generate sales for that person's book.
Maybe some people will find this stuff useful and then move on to something a bit more authentic.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:11 am

The guy in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... B6oPN3Bz_Y seems to me to know what he is talking about. The thing is, how good a teacher is he? How would the LU teachers deal with an emergency?
With a teacher in an established tradition its likely that the teacher has been vetted by his superiors and that the tradition has methods for dealing with emergencies or difficulties that students might encounter. Someone who has difficulties with dogma or established religion might benefit from this, but it seems to me that seeing anatta without a proper support system could be very problematic for some. I hope the folks at LU know what they are doing :)
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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Dan74 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:12 am

Still not as bad as some self-professed administrators spamming the board with three identical posts! :tongue:
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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:21 am

I couldn't agree more, Dan!


I apologize for the triplets. Its actually an artifact of my current connection.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Dan74 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:24 am

Well I suppose some things bear repeating!

I think I will be issuing all my posts in triplets from now on.
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Postby Mitta Yogi » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:46 pm

Hi everyone....

I went through the LU direct pointing process a few months ago.... My meditation practice has been inquiring into Anatta for some time ("who" is looking ha ha!) and I came across the Facebook forum so I joined. It was a useful exercise loosely based on the Soto Zen approach where the "seeker" is asked many questions, leading to seeing the illusion of self. Once through the process (it can take days,or months, some give up although from my observations it took most people a matter of days) you are invited to join the "aftercare" forums where you can discuss your experiences, help with residual feelings of self, adjust and share to a new way of being. Some forums directly invite users to post teachings from Gurus, Monks etc, some are purely discussion only. It was interesting to read for a while but quite a lot of arguing goes on in these forums and they can get quite personal between some of the users. There are dominant users who once come into the forums tend to take over the thread.

Lots of people seemed to get a lot of help there which is good but for me.... not so helpful after a while. I work with the five precepts and the noble eightfold path in my everyday life. I am no where near perfect. But this person, Sophia, is so blessed that in this lifetime, I have encountered the Dhamma and to just unveil the illusion of self is only one more step in the journey. I asked within the forums a few times about the role of humility, compassion, benevolence and helping others "post gate" as they call it and was met all round with "that's just ego, decisions happen on their own, there is no "you" to be responsible (or accountable, for that matter) and life looks after itself". I found this a little disconcerting so after a while I left.

So all in all, take what you want from these places. There seem to be quite a few members who are very dedicated, and do some great work. There are lots who are very opinionated which was confusing as whose opinion is it anyway :shrug: It is just for seeing the illusion of self and then after that.... it is up to the "you" that is not there :tongue:

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby nem » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:53 am

Most people in my country, same as yours, have never heard of such a concept as non-self. If it leads to the possibility of someone thinking, wow this is going nowhere, and then researching the profundity of the broader teachings, it must be a good thing. If it sounds fruity or new-agey, then at least it's a path to have a chance at seeing things as they are. When I was growing up in the Christian tradition, none of this was even acceptable to hear because people crush you for deviating from doctorine. What, you are not God's own special creation!!!!? unthinkable. It undermines the ego of everyone. If you are not self, then it means that they too are not self, not special or eternal, and no one likes to hear that. So the more paths to the knowledge, the better.

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby vajra1955 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:30 pm

Hello,I was told about LIBERATION UNLEASHED by a good friend,anyhow I was a bit apprehensive to enter the gate but my fear disappeared when I realised many of the people guiding have 20-30 years experience of Buddhism and meditation.Once the separate self has been seen as an illusion there is only oneness there has only ever been oneness,all is arising in awareness thoughts, tastes sounds,smells,sights,emotions,,feelings,but its ownerless.

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Postby Digity » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:27 pm

I think some people obsess about not-self stuff. It's also easy to get into some stupid ideas if you take the not-self too far. Follow the Buddha's teaching and I think the attachment to self will gradually fade away in a naturally and healthy way.

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby Mkoll » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:10 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby vajra1955 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:34 pm

Hi,what is your experience of LIBERATION UNLEASHED?

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby practitioner » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:02 am

LU is dogmatic in imposing their concept. I pointed out to the owner That this can only lead to conscious awareness but it doesnt cause the subconscious mind to release the attachment to self. Every arising thought has a cause, but the primary condition is grasping of self. So thoughts still arise but the conscious mind merely says that is not from me. The underlying grasping is stil there.

Mind leads the brain, but brain takes time to change the neural network. This is why sotapanna takes few years to realize, not an instaneous change.

She starts to get egoic when I try to point her out on this. The anger and egoic statement reflect the fact that she hasnt lost her attachment to self. It is only a first step but hardly any where close to enlightenment. She still has thoughts, so the self is still there as a condition in the mind.

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Re: What do you think of "Liberation Unleashed"

Postby SarathW » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:11 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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