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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:32 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby BlackBird » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:44 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:51 am

No worries, Jack.
No disrespect intended by me neither!
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby marc108 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:29 pm

hi Mojo,

the flax seeds themselves contain toxic compounds that could possibly cause health problems in the long term. no one knows for sure, but I would suggest you avoid using the flax seed itself and use an oil. flax oil is also not suitable for cooking so the best way to consume it is either just pouring a little on your food or making/mixing it into a salad dressing (my preferred way).

since you said you eat nuts you could also alternatively consume some walnuts. 1/4 cup per day will give you almost 100% of the omega3 you need. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tnam ... ce&dbid=99

diversity of source is key. if you have the ability, rotating your sources is good. maybe have some walnuts a few days (or weeks) a week & some flax oil the other days (weeks).
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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Mojo » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:23 pm

It looks like researchers are still confused about the our ability to convert ALA to EPA and DHA and the benefit of ALA alone. I am more confused now.

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby marc108 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:40 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby LG2V » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:52 pm

It's great that you've decided to go vegan! I was vegan for about 6 months last year until I changed to a lacto-ovo diet due to low energy levels.

As far a eating cheaply goes, carrots, dried beans and cauliflower are your friends. The nutritional value of these three are awesome. Getting a large pot and some large tupperware and boiling the beans yourself/mixing them with veggies before a meal is a great time/money saver. You can then combine them with white or brown rice or any of the whole grains (my favorites are millet and buckwheat). You can make relatively cheap daily smoothies by mixing orange juice with frozen strawberries as well. You can buy a decently-sized blender pretty cheap, for around $20-25.

You can pretty easily make your diet more robust by adding whatever fruits you like at the moment. Some of them also help out with promoting active bowel movements (Especially Apples). Apples, Bananas, and Kiwis are my top picks. I'd also advise doing a cheap parasite cleanse (Black Walnut, Wormwood, & Cloves Tincture; Diatomaceous Earth; and Thyme/Oil of Oregano), followed by a good probiotic regimen. This will take ~2months to do, but you'll feel a lot better for it.

I agree about the need to take some ground flax seed/flax oil. I would cut back on oils in general and go more for avocados (a good Omega 3 source) if possible. Also, almond milk is a delicious substitute for cow's milk. Nuts in general are going to be your friends while on a vegan diet.

Have you considered going gluten free? That might be an excellent option to choose, although it might make eating within your diet a bit more difficult.

Lastly, I would try to eat raw as much as possible. If you keep at a vegan diet and don't go too hard on the sweets, all of your food will eventually start to taste better and sweeter; the diet takes some getting used to.


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Re: Going vegan!

Postby violetyoga » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:59 pm

Glad I came upon this post. Although not vegan and recently vegetarian (still eating eggs/milk/honey), I wanted to know if any of you could share some knowledge with me. I was a vegetarian in the past when I was in my early teens but got sick...ended up becoming anemic. I've become wiser and more careful since then lol plus there are now more options than just salad and tofu on the table!

I'm curious about the fish oil vs. flax/other oil for not only omega 3s but also the DHA/AHA? I know that fish oil has DHA if I am not mistaken, which deals with brain functioning/memory/eye sight...I am more concerned about this since I don't seem to have any issues with cholesterol or heart at this point. Overall I'm quite healthy and fairly fit (knock on wood). But, I want to ensure that I am getting the same benefit from another type of oil as I would from the fish oil, especially for the brain/eyesight aspect. Do any of you have any knowledge of this and comments? Is it impossible to get DHA from any other source but the fish? I still have a bottle of fish oil in my fridge as I have always been taking it on a daily basis so I intend on finishing it but would prefer not to have to go back to it if there are other options.

Furthermore, any vegan/vegetarian recipes you can all share that are filling and great for dinner? Hot and 'meaty' to keep you full? Always on the lookout for hearty veg meals. My husband is Indian...I'm Polish/Russian so I am always cooking south asian foods since the eastern europeans don't have all that many veg options....a few delicious ones, but not as many.

Looking forward to some of your responses :)
Namaste!

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Mkoll » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:44 pm

Dear violetyoga,

I eat flax, chia, and walnuts for ALA which the body can convert to DHA/EPA as it needs.

I also occasionally take algae supplements that provide DHA. Just search "algae DHA".

The best meal I've found for keeping full are rice/beans with some fat (olive oil) and some steamed vegetables. The grain that "sticks to the ribs" the most I've found to be oat groats. These are the least processed form of edible oats. I eat them with fruit, nuts, and seeds. You can get them on amazon.

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Roland » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:34 am

Less than 5% of ALA converts to EPA and less than .5% of ALA converts to DHA, in healthy people.

http://chriskresser.com/why-fish-stomps ... of-omega-3
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Re: Going vegan!

Postby manas » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:20 am

HI mojo,

I ran out of cheese a while back, and was dairy-free for a few days. Then, when I could buy some again, it tasted kind of 'off'. There was nothing wrong with this cheese, I realized that 'this is just how cheese tastes.' I started going off it naturally after that, and I've actually stopped buying it. I found the same thing with totally fresh butter. After a few days of a vegan diet, my body's initial reaction was, 'ew, that tastes odd'. But once again, there was nothing wrong with it, this was just how butter tastes. It's interesting how, if we eat a more pure diet for a while, that if we then taste something from an animal, we really notice it. I'm not saying animal products are bad, of course, just that I'm gradually going off them, that my body is responding in this way. (Still eating yoghourt for the good bacteria, and truly free-range eggs for the protein, however).

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:33 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:39 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Sam Vara » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:56 am

Some really interesting points above. I've been vegan since 1984, which (in the UK, at least) means that for a lot of that time, most people I met casually didn't even know what veganism was.

I became vegan for ethical reasons - I worked for a time as a dairy herdsman, and didn't like what was going on in the industry. I never took any supplements, other than B12, and relied on the vague (and probably daft!) idea that if I mixed proteins and ate a good range of foods, then I would be OK. In fact, it has worked out fine so far. Fifty seven years old, everyone says I look a lot younger, three children, a demanding job, and (before the joints complained!) third Dan in a martial art. I have recently started taking a little ground flax seed because of all the publicity around it, but up until a couple of years ago I had never heard of it. I might of course have been very lucky health-wise, but I might also be a fit and healthy reason for vegans to drop some of their excessive worries. If I don't post for a while, someone might want to PM me to see if I have dropped dead due to my dietary deficits catching up with me!

Manas' points are very interesting. I am extremely aware of the smell of milk and egg products in food. For me, they are slightly repellent and just don't smell like food any more. The only time I knowingly deviated from the veganism was after a Vipassana retreat when there was a celebration and some Indian people cooked a big dish of sweet milky rice. Not wanting to disappoint them, and all too aware that "veganism" is just another identity to cling to, I indulged. Two hours later, I was wondering who had spilt the sour yoghurt on my clothes - a really cheesy and nasty smell which I couldn't shake off. I realised that I was actually sweating it out. It seems that I have lost the ability to digest milk etc., and now might lack the enzymes or whatever deals with it once ingested.

Anyway, that's just my story. Good luck with yours, and may whatever you eat bring you good health and happiness.

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Roland » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:48 pm

"No tree becomes rooted and sturdy unless many a wind assails it. For by its very tossing it tightens its grip and plants its roots more securely; the fragile trees are those that have grown in a sunny valley."

--Seneca the Younger (57 BCE- 65 AD)

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:59 pm

Dear Roland,

I do not know of any other studies. I would like to see further studies as well as this subject is both interesting and important.

:anjali:
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:37 pm

Mkoll,

Www.nutritionfacts.org
There is quite a bit there on flaxseed. I highly recommend the site.
Kind regards,
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Going vegan!

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:09 am

Thanks Ben. That is my go-to site for nutrition these days.

:anjali:
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa


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