Is snuff an intoxicant?

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:28 am

Why will I stop with snuff?
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:36 am

Dear villkorkarma,

Like I said, I stopped using drugs before I became a Buddhist, before I put my faith in kamma or merit or the Buddha's enlightenment or anything Buddhist. At that point, I had faith in no religion or teaching. It was purely an act of self-preservation.

Have you ever tried to quit snuff since you started using it, villkorkarma? What's the longest time you've gone without it?

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:49 am

Mkoll wrote:Dear villkorkarma,

Like I said, I stopped using drugs before I became a Buddhist, before I put my faith in kamma or merit or the Buddha's enlightenment or anything Buddhist. At that point, I had faith in no religion or teaching. It was purely an act of self-preservation.

Have you ever tried to quit snuff since you started using it, villkorkarma? What's the longest time you've gone without it?

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acutally i have stopped with it a couple of times. it was after i readed about kannabalism and drugsand that was 14 Days ago. I have felt very bad the last 5 years. I started with my alltimeusing of snuff 2 years ago, not even a minute without snuff and it have helped me now. now i feel very good when i compare it of how i have felt and that because it seems that the hindrances has gone away. what hindrances? i mean missions. what missions? i mean like say something personally in front of people that i Think will react with anger or just beeing social with angry people.
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:57 am

Dear villkorkarma,

Are you saying that you feel better when you're not using snuff? Are you saying that there is less anger arising when interacting with others when you're not using snuff?

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:11 am

No.
No.
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:25 am

Why do you not want to use snuff? I understand if you dont need It beacuse you feel so good, ?
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:32 am

Dear villkorkarma,

I'm not sure what your situation is. I don't understand your last post. So I'm asking questions for clarification. If you could explain your situation clearly and in detail, we would be able to communicate better.

Are you saying you started using snuff two years ago, you've stopped using a couple of times, you've recently stopped using for 14 days, and now you feel bad? Why did you feel bad the past five years?

Why does anyone start using drugs in the first place? I'd say: social pressure and/or dissatisfaction with some aspect(s) of their life. Would a happy and content person have an urge to use drugs? No, because there would be no reason for it.

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:08 am

Okey but do you mean that you are happy?

I start snuffusing 2 years ago. no just a few moments/minutes I held up with snuff in these 14 Days. Can you please see my other thread about the 5 percepts?
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:19 am

Dear villkorkarma,

I would say only arahants are completely "happy" in that they have no more work to do.

But semantics aside, on a conventional level I am happy in this regard. Why? I am happy because I'm not using destructive intoxicants. I've tamed my mind to this extent. I'm happy because I'm fulfilling the fifth precept and the fourth factor of stream-entry, below. My virtue is pure in this regard. It makes me happy to think about it.

He is endowed with virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration.
-AN 10.92

Are you saying you've only gone a few minutes without snuff in the past 14 days? I'll ask again, and please answer this question directly so I can get a clearer picture of what's going on: what is the longest time you've gone without snuff (excluding sleeping) since you started using it two years ago?

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:19 pm

Mkoll wrote:Dear villkorkarma,

I would say only arahants are completely "happy" in that they have no more work to do.

But semantics aside, on a conventional level I am happy in this regard. Why? I am happy because I'm not using destructive intoxicants. I've tamed my mind to this extent. I'm happy because I'm fulfilling the fifth precept and the fourth factor of stream-entry, below. My virtue is pure in this regard. It makes me happy to think about it.

He is endowed with virtues that are appealing to the noble ones: untorn, unbroken, unspotted, unsplattered, liberating, praised by the wise, untarnished, leading to concentration.
-AN 10.92

Are you saying you've only gone a few minutes without snuff in the past 14 days? Yes thats correct Mkoll I'll ask again, and please answer this question directly so I can get a clearer picture of what's going on: what is the longest time you've gone without snuff (excluding sleeping) since you started using it two years ago? One and a half day maybe.


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Why are you asking these questions Mkoll? By the way, I feel like a sort of an Arahant. :anjali: Its not impossible that I am an Arahant.
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Babadhari » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:04 pm

HI villkorkarma

i mean no offense but if you are not happy without snuff then you are not an arahant....
perhaps someday you will be but firrst you must finish with snuff....

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:51 pm

villkorkarma wrote:Why are you asking these questions Mkoll? By the way, I feel like a sort of an Arahant. :anjali: Its not impossible that I am an Arahant.

Dear villkorkarma,

I ask them because I hope I can help you. But if you would like me to stop, I gladly will.

You are not an Arahant for many reasons, the least of which kitztack mentioned. I think it'd be for your long-term welfare if you showed respect and reverence for those Noble Ones who have practiced well.

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:42 pm

okay;) What reasons? :) :anjali:
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:53 pm

Sorry I added a smiley to my message by clicking at the EDIT-bottom and so.. on. Revidence? Respect?
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:33 pm

villkorkarma wrote:okay;) What reasons? :) :anjali:

Dear villkorkarma,

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I advise you stop this line of reasoning and work on your defilements.

Cultivating respect and reverence of the Noble Ones is of utmost importance, in my opinion.

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:57 pm

ofcourse iam not an arahant. but what reasons?
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:13 pm

villkorkarma wrote:Its not impossible that I am an Arahant

villkorkarma wrote:ofcourse iam not an arahant


Dear villkorkarma,

Which one is it? You keep swinging back and forth between one saying one view then another. How can I trust what you're saying if you keep contradicting yourself?

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:15 pm

which one? I Think iam not an arahant. :oops:
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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:37 pm

Dear villkorkarma,

To me, when you use the phrase: "I Think", it sounds like you're still saying "I don't know". Are you an arahant, yes or no?

For myself, I know I'm not an arahant.

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Re: Is snuff an intoxicant?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:07 pm

I dont know. An Arahant is a fully enlightened beeing. I havents died yet so Iam not an arahant
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