Of course, which is why I said "presumably" and quoted a sutta from the Buddha on the matter, which seemed quite clear...daverupa wrote: Careful, lest that amount to a form of determinism.
Mike
Of course, which is why I said "presumably" and quoted a sutta from the Buddha on the matter, which seemed quite clear...daverupa wrote: Careful, lest that amount to a form of determinism.
I had wondered whether that quote, since it only discussed kamma, was liable to being misunderstood, that's all.mikenz66 wrote:Of course, which is why I said "presumably" and quoted a sutta from the Buddha on the matter, which seemed quite clear...daverupa wrote: Careful, lest that amount to a form of determinism.
Mike
Also check SN 36.21daverupa wrote:Careful, lest that amount to a form of determinism.mikenz66 wrote:Presumably because of past kamma.villkorkarma wrote: So how could an arahant be killed?or raped i was thinking.
Now when these ascetics and brahmans have such a doctrine and view that 'whatever a person experiences, be it pleasure, pain or neither-pain-nor-pleasure, all that is caused by previous action,' then they go beyond what they know by themselves and what is accepted as true by the world. Therefore, I say that this is wrong on the part of these ascetics and brahmans."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nypo.html
.The [precise working out of the] results of kamma...
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
It's not suggesting a definitive, obvious, cause-and-effect. In fact, quite the opposite. That's why I chose it, because it already has that balance to it.The Buddha wrote:... But (perhaps) the evil kamma producing his suffering was done by him earlier, or the evil kamma producing his suffering was done by him later, or wrong view was undertaken and completed by him at the time of his death. ...
http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 07#p273634
Yes indeed. But the Sivaka Sutta kept running through my head.mikenz66 wrote:Dave, Aloka,
I appreciate your concern about accuracy, but did either of you take the time to carefully read the sutta that I referred to and quoted from?
Yes I did, thanks, Mike....but does that mean I'm not allowed to mention any other sutta ?mikenz66 wrote:
I appreciate your concern about accuracy, but did either of you take the time to carefully read the sutta that I referred to and quoted from?
I can't yet find a specific reference in the suttas to deaths of Arahants such as Maha Moggalana, only a summary of the Commentary: http://www.what-buddha-said.net/library ... ana_th.htmThen the Gracious One, after applying his mind to venerable Pilindivaccha’s previous lives, addressed the monks, saying: “You should not be offended, monks, at the monk Vaccha, it is not with hatred on the inside, monks, that Vaccha accosts the monks with words of contempt. For the monk Vaccha, monks, for five hundred lives has been reborn in a brāhmaṇa family without interruption, for a long time he has been one who has accosted others with words of contempt, because of this Vaccha accosted the monks with words of contempt.”
What is that?Mkoll wrote:psychological pressure