Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

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Re: Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

Postby lyndon taylor » Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:50 am

Well then if you don't deny that the Buddha taught literal rebirth, multiple realms, devas deities, etc as real, then my comments don't apply to you, do they???
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

Postby Jason » Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:15 am

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

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Re: Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

Postby lyndon taylor » Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:25 am

I'm actually not directing anything at you specifically, but rather generally aiming at people that wish to rewrite the Buddhas teaching to fit their own view, if the shoe fits wear it. I have no problem accepting that in some instances, hell in the scriptures refers to a psychological state, just not all the time or even most of the time.

It seems to me people in the buddha's time were more superstitious and took, ghost spirits, demi gods, heavens and hells very literally, much more so than today, no matter how much a non superstitious person wants to deny many or all of those things today, he can't go back in history and turn the Buddha into a secular humanist. These things were part of their world, whether real or not, and they needed little faith to believe in this. We learn by accepting that they saw things differently than many do today, not by rewriting history to have a Buddha that agrees with all our pet modern theories or non beliefs.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

Postby Aloka » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:08 am

Thank you for your calm and reasoned contribution to the discussion, Jason. Its much appreciated.

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Re: Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

Postby manas » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:55 am

Regarding the various planes, this talk by Bhante Anandajoti is really informative and entertaining. He explains in a very comprehensible way, how the various planes of existence are both psychological, and cosmological, 'realms':



I find this talk can give inspiration to put forth more effort into purifying one's generousity and virtue...especially, to at least keep those five precepts really purely. Human realm and above, fine; but
lower realms - best avoided... :shock:

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Who created the heavenly and hell realms?

Postby daverupa » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:41 pm

Could be that these are two ways of understanding life processes amongst dependent consequences; in any event the point seems to me to be coming to grips with idapaccayata sans ritualism, self-aggrandizement, and so forth. This is an individual effort that isn't assisted by comparing and contrasting metaphysical speculations.

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