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the great rebirth debate

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Just to be clear and please correct me if I'm wrong...

With the exception of mutagens and DNA replication errors, all of the somatic cells in a particular human body have the same DNA code. The manifestation of a cell, whether it be a cardiac muscle cell, a neuron, or what have you, is due to what parts of the DNA code are expressed.

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Reference to Rebirth by different people

Postby Rahula » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:00 am

Hi,
I'm trying to find about people who discovered or have strong original opinion about rebirth on their own in the past. Or it could be original reference to rebirth on different sources.

Presently I know of following people, please let me know if you know anyone else.

1. Buddha - As it is mentioned in Buddhist text he discovered cause for rebirth and path to stop it.
2. Edgar Cayce - Although he did not believe it at first while awake, he had talked about it while he was giving readings.
3. Ian Stevenson - He did a research on rebirth based on past life stories told by children and has some post-mortem reports as paper evidence on his book. He started believing in rebirth as a result of his research.

There are reference to Rebirth/Reincarnation on bible as well.


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Postby clw_uk » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:07 pm

Also I wouldn't go to the Bible for justification of rebirth/reincarnation et al


The old testament barely conceives of an eternal soul/heaven. Most of the Old Testament is only concerned with this life, and has a view that after death there is either nothing or is sceptical towards any future state. The book of Ecclesiastes is a good example of the annihilationist/nihilist view that is expressed throughout the bible.

As for the new testament from Jesus, thats all about eternalism and a linear view of existence. It is mostly drawn the from the oral Torah, which takes a view of life after death, as opposed to the written Torah which focuses on only one life.




However there is nothing in the Bible that really supports "rebirth", not until you get to the Latter day saints anyway who have a form of it.
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Lol, after 244 pages this thread is still spinning around in the same old way (Do I detect a Kylie Minogue song playing faintly in the background?)


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Postby Alex123 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:42 pm

If there is only one life, then at death arahants and worldlings are all equal at 6 feet under. Not much point in trying to become a stream enterer or higher....
Death would be automatic parinibbana.
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Postby clw_uk » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:46 pm

On a side note I will say I was wrong before to say that Buddha did not teach about rebirth. If we look at the Suttas he obviously did and because of that he obviously seen some value in teaching others about the concept. The reasons why though, I do not know. If I am honest I personally do not see the need for it, but thats just my subjective preference, which is not a good indicator of truth (As Ajahn Chah said, following our desires and preferences wont get us to nibbana)


Also, in terms of D.O. it can be read as both psychological and literal in the Suttas (or maybe intended as both, where clinging gives birth to "me" which can carry on after physical death).


The reasons for Buddha teaching about rebirth after death to some people, I do not know. I don't know the Buddhas intent, by that I mean I do not know if he meant to use it as a skilfull means to help others aim at wholesome actions (which helps to then lead them to his own teachings) or if he taught it as being an empirical fact, that he either believed or knew about.

I can see both in the Suttas

As I said before however, I think its how we use these views that is important, not the views themselves

After all we all aim for nibbana, which is the ending of birth here and now and after (if it does happen).


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